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Stella
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24 Jul 2010 08:53 |
I am trying to find about sutty or could be Tutty Cole i have a birth in Brookland on the Romney Marsh about 1908 he is down as three in the 1911 census but can`t find anything else
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24 Jul 2010 09:10 |
How did you get back to him please? Who is he living with in 1911 please?
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24 Jul 2010 09:13 |
HOUSEHOLD COLE SUTTY M 1908 3 Maidstone Kent HOUSEHOLD COLE ARTHUR M 1897 14 Maidstone Kent HOUSEHOLD COLE EMILY F 1862 49 Maidstone Kent HOUSEHOLD COLE HOLLY F 1901 10 Maidstone Kent HOUSEHOLD COLE IVY F 1899 12 Maidstone Kent
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25 Jul 2010 08:06 |
PM from Stella
I have been sent the census records 1911 and sutty is on the bottom age 3 years b. Brookland i have never heard of him before emily cole head 49 emily leigh daughter 30 edwin waters son 22 violet waters daughter 23 arthur cole son 14 ivy cole daughter 3 holly cole daughter 10 ivy leigh grandaughter 7 arthur leigh grandson 5 harriet easton visiter 22 arthur davies boarder 31 george baily boarder 18 jack cornford boarder 20 sutty cole 3 son ? b. brookland the family surname was waters but was changed to cole why when ?
This would explain why I had difficulty finding a birth for Holly.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Sep 1901 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WATERS Holly Margery Ticehurst 2b 110
1901 Census
Name: Emily Waters Age: 39 Estimated birth year: abt 1862 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Amos Gender: Female Where born: Oxford, Oxfordshire, England Civil parish: Lamberhurst Ecclesiastical parish: Lamberhurst St Mary County/Island: Kent Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Ticehurst Sub-registration district: Wadhurst ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 108 Household Members: Name Age Amos Waters 41 Emily Waters 39 Violet Waters 13 Gladys Waters 11 Getrude Waters 10 Arthur Waters 4 Ivy Waters 3 Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 894; Folio: 103; Page: 16
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Dec 1877 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jones Emily Philadelphia A Ticehurst 2b 217 WATERS Amos Ticehurst 2b 217
I don't see a death for Amos so it doesn't look like Emily had remarried. Is she married or widowed on the 1911 census please?
I can't find a possible birth for "Sutty".
Could this be your Amos in 1911 - sorry I don't have a subscription for the 1911 to see the details.
HOUSEHOLD WATERS AMOS M 1860 51 Cranbrook Kent
looks to be living with these people.
HOUSEHOLD WATERS BEATRICE FLORENCE F 1892 19 Cranbrook Kent HOUSEHOLD WATERS FRED M 1855 56 Cranbrook Kent HOUSEHOLD WATERS PERCY FRANK M 1890 21 Cranbrook Kent HOUSEHOLD WATERS TYRRELL WALTER M 1898 13 Cranbrook Kent
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25 Jul 2010 08:15 |
Have you looked at the actual census image?
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25 Jul 2010 08:47 |
1871 England Census about Amos Waters Name: Amos Waters Age: 11 Estimated birth year: abt 1860 Relation: Son Father's Name: John Mother's Name: Harriett Gender: Male Where born: Goudhurst, Kent, England Civil parish: Goudhurst Ecclesiastical parish: Kilndown County/Island: Kent Country: England Registration district: Cranbrook Sub-registration district: Hawkhurst ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Household schedule number: 50 Household Members: Name Age John Waters 61 Harriett Waters 55 Frederick Waters 17 <<<<<is this who Amos is with in 1911? Amos Waters 11 Frances Waters 8
1881 England Census about Amos Waters Name: Amos Waters Age: 21 Estimated birth year: abt 1860 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Emily Gender: Male Where born: Goudhurst, Kent, England Civil parish: Goudhurst County/Island: Kent Country: England Street Address: The Quarter Condition as to marriage: Married Education:
Employment status: View image Occupation: Farm Laborer Registration district: Cranbrook Sub-registration district: Hawkhurst ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Amos Waters 21 Emily Waters 20 Amos J. Waters 2 Emily Waters
1891 England Census about Amos Walters Name: Amos Walters Age: 31 Estimated birth year: abt 1860 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Emily Mother's Name: Ann Gender: Male Where born: Goudhurst, Kent, England Civil parish: Lamberhurst Ecclesiastical parish: Lamberhurst County/Island: Sussex Country: England Registration district: Ticehurst Sub-registration district: Wadhurst ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Amos Walters 31 <<Gen labourer Emily Walters 30 Ann Jones 75 <<<<Mother Amos Walters 12 Emily Walters 10 William Walters 9 Daisey Walters 7 Edwin Walters 5 Voilet Walters 3 Gladys Walters 1 Gertrude Walters 7
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25 Jul 2010 08:58 |
Id guess this is Amos birth and death
Births Dec 1858 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Waters Amos Cranbrook 2a 464
Deaths Jun 1930 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Waters Amos 73 Cranbrook 2a 1085
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25 Jul 2010 09:02 |
So Emily was born a Jones, married a Waters and died as Cole!
Deaths Jun 1932 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cole Emily P A 70 Maidstone 2a 1098
Can someone do another 1911 search for this family, I was just wondering if the one that has been posted may be wrong?
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25 Jul 2010 11:31 |
? 1911 COLE, Emily Head Widow F 49 1862 Confectioners Shop Oxford LEIGH, Emily Daughter Widow F 30 1881 Assisting In Shop Lamberhurst WATERS, Edwin Son Single M 25 1886 At Home Goudhurst WATERS, Voilet Daughter Single F 23 1888 Lamberhurst COLE, Arthur Son M 14 1897 Grocer Lad Lamberhurst COLE, Ivy Daughter F 12 1899 School Lamberhurst COLE, Holly Daughter Single F 10 1901 Lamberhurst LEIGH, Ivy Grandchild F 7 1904 Cpe Town LEIGH, Arthur Grandchild M 5 1906 Lamberhurst EATON, Harriett Visitor Single F 22 1889 Cook Wadhurst DAVIS, Arthur Boarder Married M 31 1880 Grocer Knighton BAILEY, George Boarder Single M 18 1893 Grocer Aldershot CRONFORD, Jack Boarder Single M 20 1891 Grocer Little London COLE, Sutty Son M 3 1908 Brookland
Parish: Maidstone Address: 24 King ST
It could be Tutty/Sutty/Lutty...Or...the u could be ei *************************************************
WATERS, Fred Head Widower M 56 1855 Farm Labourer Kent Kilndown WATERS, Beatrice Florence Daughter Single F 19 1892 Kent Kilndown WATERS, Percy Frank Son Single M 21 1890 Farm Labourer Kent Kilndown WATERS, Tyrrell Walter Son M 13 1898 School Kent Kilndown WATERS, Amos Boarder Married M 51 1860 Farm Labourer Kent Kilndown
Address: The Hollies Kilndown Goudhurst
I rather suspect that Emily and Amos parted their ways around 1901 and Emily took up with a Mr Cole and took his name to appear respectable.
Then either he died or left her before 1911.
Could the T//S/Lutty child be.. Leslie?
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Stella
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26 Jul 2010 11:05 |
I don`t know what happened to amos who was my grandfather i do know the marriage was finished and emily and some of the family went to australia must have been after the 1911 census as she is on that as a widow, true / false? some of them were cole and some waters i have a death certificate for amos 1930 age 73 kilndown woodsman i am hoping this is him the dates seem right but nothing to help on certificate
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26 Jul 2010 11:28 |
Do you know who went with her to OZ please?
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Stella
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27 Jul 2010 08:22 |
went to australia emily cole. ( emily daughter leigh/cole. her children daughter emily son arthur ) edwin waters. ivy cole .holly cole. arthur cole.@ gladys cole ? not sure if there were anymore not sure about violet she may have already been in new zealand but she ended up with the family in australia with her daughter phyllis she died there in 1920 sad story
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27 Jul 2010 09:00 |
New South Wales, Australia, Unassisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1826-1922 about Holly Cole Name: Holly Cole Estimated birth year: abt 1903 Age: 9 Port of Departure: London Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales Voyage Arrival Date: 6 Jun 1912 Vessel Name: Themistocles And here are the gang with Holly
Emily Cole <<Listed as 'housewife' age not listed Emily Cole <<<age not listed Gladys Cole<<<age not listed Ivy Cole <<<1901 Rosie Cole <<<1904 Arthur Cole <<<age not listed Jack Cole <<<1906
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Gwyn in Kent
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27 Jul 2010 10:37 |
The only COLE birth I can find around that area and time.
Births Jun 1905 Cole Percy Henry ..Romney M. 2a 1168
Even now, Brookland is a 'blink and you've missed it' sort of place. Very interesting church there.
Gwyn
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Stella
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28 Jul 2010 09:28 |
gang with holly going to australia there is sidney ? could this be sutty? haven`t heard this name before
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rootgatherer
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28 Jul 2010 10:46 |
Ginny
Do you have ages for Rosie, Sydney and Jack on the passenger list please?
Had we found a Rosie, Sydney or Jack Cole before? Or am I just getting confused now!
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Gee
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28 Jul 2010 11:01 |
Root
Ive listed the ages that came up on individule searches as I couldnt see an age on the actual record so I dont know where the transcriber got the ages from!
I cant see a record for Sydney?
See page one
Edit; hang on there is NO Sydney. I must have c/p the place Sydney!!!
I can see the ages....doh!
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Gee
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28 Jul 2010 11:07 |
I wonder if Jack is our 'Sutty' geezer?
What about this;
Births Mar 1908 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cole John William S Croydon 2a 371
'S'.....Sutty?
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Stella
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30 Jul 2010 09:49 |
thanks for all your help i think the sidney? not sutty / tutty could have been a senior moment on my part
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ErikaH
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5 Feb 2013 12:57 |
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1318955
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