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Hi Thank you. This is I believe the Bertie Rowland I am looking for. I do have a death cert. Which you have now confirmed is The wrong one. Is there anywhere I can view or send for Army record's. On Bertie... Gertrude Mary Rowland is my grandmother. She married My grandfather in 1908. Her name then was Webb.My mother is Queenie Mary Gertrude Webb. I did no her Sibling's. But Gertrude Left the family home abt 1916/17. when Queenie was abt 3 yrs. I would like to find out what happened to her. She had lost brother Bertie and also brother in Law Henry Webb who had been sent home from France and died at home. His Wife having just given birth to his Daughter. They were all living very close before and during the war. Gertrudes Husband was still away I believe during this time. Could you tell me if it is possible to get the Army record's o fBertie and also Alfred John Webb my Grandfather. After the war he did bring up his children with the help Of Henry's wife. As I never knew any of them and nobody spoke abt it. IT might Shed some light on what happened to Gertrude. Been doing this for year's now. And still no closer to finding her.

Burial (Find My Past)
First name(s): Matilda
Last name: ROWLAND
Date of burial 6 Dec 1909
Age at death: 49
Calculated year of birth: 1860
Place of burial Beaumont cum Moze
Dedication: St Leonard
County: Essex
Beaumont cum Moze St Leonard:
Denomination: Anglican
Coverage 1558 - 1918
Data provider: Essex Society for Family History

(wonder if above relates with 1901 address)

Chris :)

Surrey Recruitment Registers
1908-1933 (Find My Past)

First Name(s):B A
Last Name:Rowland
Unit:Coldstream Guards
Series:Regular Army, 2nd April 1913 to 16th August 1916
Regiment:Coldstream Guards
Reference:2496 / 38
Page number:122
Age:18 Years 11 Months
Height:5ft 7in.
Weight (pounds):142
Chest size (inches):36.5
Chest Expansion (inches):3
Complexion:Fair
Eye colour:Grey
Hair colour:Black
Distinctive marks:
Occupation:Footman
Birthplace:Beaumont
County:Essex
Attestation date:08 February 1915
Attestation place:Croydon
Remarks:
Notes:Regular Army is written on the spine. From August 1915 recruitment numbers are given (numbers 1-386) together with the place of recruitment. Note that the numbers are recruitment numbers and not regimental numbers . In this register, details of the man's employer have been added in the Remarks column.

Death

Name: ROWLAND, Reuben George
Registration district: Colchester
County: Essex
Year of registration: 1981
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Date of Birth:28 April 1894
Volume no: 9
Page no: 2653

Posting for elimination - I think this may be the marriage of the mother of the Bertie who died in Brecknockshire

Parish Record Collection - Marriage Record

Grooms Last Name: Martin
Grooms First Name: Arthur Edward - Painter
Grooms Fathers First Name: James - Grocer
Grooms Fathers Last Name: Martin
Grooms Parish: -
Grooms Age: 26
Brides Last Name: Rowland
Brides First Name: Gertrude Maria - from Merthyr
Brides Fathers First Name: Frederick - Inn keeper
Brides Fathers Last Name: Rowland
Brides Parish: -
Brides Age: 30
County: Brecknockshire
Place / Parish: Vaynor
Marriage Year: 1904
Marriage Month: Feb
Marriage Day: 13
Page: -
Record source: Powys Marriages - Transcripts
Data provider: Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau Archifau Cymru

Neither previously married.

All we need now is for Joyce to return..................

1891 England Census
about Gertude Rowland Name: Gertude Rowland
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Female
Where born: Wix, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Tendring
Town: Tendring
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: Tendring
Sub-registration District: Thorpe
ED, institution, or vessel: Union Workhouse
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1401
Folio: 131
Page Number: 5

Fredrick Rowland 31
Maltida Rowland 32
Robert Rowland 9
Elizabeth Rowland 7
William Rowland 5
Gertude Rowland 2
Ralph Rowland 8/12

Death

Name: BOND, Rena Maria
Registration district: Chelmsford
County: Essex
Year of registration: 1970
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Date of Birth:22 July 1892
Volume no: 4A
Page no: 1613

UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919 about Bertie Alfred Rowland
Name: Bertie Alfred Rowland
Birth Place: Beaumont, Essex
Death Date: 30 Sep 1916
Death Location: France & Flanders
Enlistment Location: Croydon
Rank: Private
Regiment: Coldstream Guards
Number: 15312
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre

As Gertrude was Joyce's grandmother, one would expect her to know the names of the children, although in the original post, she didn't mention that she knew the woman's married name...............

Perhaps someone with Ancestry would be good enough to look for possible service records for Bertie................based on the death info....................

maybe
Civil registration event: Birth
View the original image

Name: WEBB, Queenie M G

Registration district: [?] Croydon

County: Surrey

Year of registration: 1915

Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar

Mother's maiden name: Rowland

Volume no:[?]2A

Page no:[?]437

A possible death?

Name: WEBB, Gertrude M
Registration district: Swindon
County: Wiltshire
Year of registration: 1953
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at death:65
Volume no: 7C
Page no: 459

1901 England Census
about Bertie Rowland Name: Bertie Rowland
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Matilda Rowland
Gender: Male
Where born: Beaumont, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Beaumont with Moze
Ecclesiastical parish: St Leonard
Town: Beaumont with Moze
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: Tendring
Sub-registration District: Thorpe
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 89
Piece: 1694
Folio: 12
Page Number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
Matilda Rowland 48 (Married) Charwoman
Arthur Rowland 23
Robert Rowland 20
William Rowland 16
Gertrude Rowland 12
Ralph Rowland 10
Rena Rowland 7
Reuben Rowland 6
Bertie Rowland 5

from a tree on ancestry
no details of what happened to getrude but have these children

Gertrude Mary Rowland 1889 –

George Webb 1909 – 1989
Stanley Rowland Webb 1912 – 1985
Queenie Mary Gertrude Webb 1914 – 1999
may not be correct

That could be the one Joyce refers to, Maddie. Thanks

I think that one may be on 1911 in the Rhondda...............

I was looking for him with his second initial

1911 census


Person: WEBB, Gertrude Mary Address: 48 Jarvis Road South Croydon

WEBB, Alfred John Head Married3 years M 31 1880 Greengrocer Dorkings Surrey VIEW
WEBB, Gertrude Mary Wife Married F 23 1888 Wicks Essex VIEW
WEBB, William John Son M 2 1909 Croydon Surrey VIEW
WEBB, Leslie George Son M 0 (6 MONTH) 1911 Croydon Surrey VIEW
ROWLAND, Bertie Alfred Boarder Single M 15 1896 Farm Labourer Beaumont Essex

is this it Reggie
Name: Bertie Rowland
Birth Date: abt 1896
Date of Registration: Jun 1918
Age at Death: 22
Registration District: Crickhowell
Inferred County: Breconshire
Volume: 11b
Page: 130

ROWLAND, B A

Rank: Private
Service No: 15312
Date of Death: 30/09/1916
Regiment/Service: Coldstream Guards1st Bn.

Grave Reference IX. W. 2.
Cemetery
GUARDS' CEMETERY, LESBOEUFS
Additional Information:

There is no death on FMP for Bertie