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Joyce

Joyce Report 24 Oct 2010 13:59

My Rowland family were Essex born. Would like to know who they married. And if they have any decendents.
Elizabeth Rowland 1884 Rena Rowland 1892. And sister Gertrude Mary Rowland. Who I know married in 1908.
But where did she go after 1917.
Please has any one any info. Joyce

Gael

Gael Report 25 Oct 2010 09:38

If the 1901 Census is right, could this be your Elizabeth ???

She may have married late in life ...

Groom's Name: John William Cornford
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Elizabeth Alice Rowland
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 27 Jun 1931
Marriage Place: Chelmsford Essex England
Groom's Father's Name:
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name:
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status: Widowed
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status: Single
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01351-3
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1472065
Reference Number: it12 p170 No508
Collection: null

Joyce

Joyce Report 30 Oct 2010 16:48

Hi Somersetgirl. Thankyou for your help. In 1911 Elizabeth Rowland was working in Hyde Park Gdn's For the Stubb Family. Gael from down under has given me a marriage for her that look's very promising. And I shall follow up.
Rena also I beleive to be the right one.
Would you be able to follow up on Bertie Alfred Rowland 1896. Who was living with them in 1911. What had to him?
And Gertrude Mary Rowland who left the home in Jarvis Road Croydon in 1917/18. My Grandmother what happened to her. Did she remarry? go abroad. Or maybe Elizabeth's marriage cert might have a clue. When I get it. Thanks again for your help. Regard's Joyce

Joyce

Joyce Report 31 Oct 2010 10:21

Thankyou so much for all your help. On the Rowland family.
only Gertrude Mary to find now.
What with brother and brother in law. Death's Around the the same time.
Maybe it was all too much for her. But where did she go? Regard's joyce

Joyce

Joyce Report 5 Nov 2010 16:31

Hi Thank's I have now received this marriage cert. And it is the right one. Wittness to marriage was her sister Rena and her husband. I was hoping Gertrude would be on it as well. But no Luck....
So Ill keep on searching for her. Very difficult when you don't know if she remarried.
That's the two you have helped with Bertie and Elizabeth.
Thank's again Joyce

Joyce

Joyce Report 29 Jul 2013 14:33

Hi. Long time since I've visited here. I don't think I have the right Bertie Rowland. I believe he died in the war. And the death cert. I have sent for. Say's Gertrude Mary Rowland was he's mother and was with him in Wales when he died.. I believed he was her brother. And at the time of his death> She was Gertrude Mary Webb. Having married in 1908. Could this be the explanation of why she left the family home about 1917. How can I prove these are the same people. Help please.

Reggie

Reggie Report 29 Jul 2013 14:41

Marriages Sep 1908 (>99%)

ROWLAND Gertrude Mary Croydon 2a 566
WEBB Alfred John Croydon 2a 566

When was Gertrude born?

WHO were her parents?

Reggie

Reggie Report 29 Jul 2013 14:46

OK

Think I've found the info myself.......................



1901 census


Person: ROWLAND, Rena Address: Blue Houses, Tendring Road, Beaumont With Moze


ROWLAND, Matilda Head Married F 48 1853 Charwoman
Ramsey, Essex VIEW
ROWLAND, Arthur Son Single M 23 1878 Horseman On Farm
Ramsey, Essex VIEW
ROWLAND, Robert Son Single M 20 1881 Horseman On Farm
Ramsey, Essex VIEW
ROWLAND, William Son Single M 16 1885 Farm Labourer
Ramsey, Essex VIEW
ROWLAND, Gertrude Daughter Single F 12 1889
Wix, Essex VIEW
ROWLAND, Ralph Son Single M 10 1891
Wix, Essex VIEW
ROWLAND, Rena Daughter Single F 7 1894
Thorpe Le Soken, Essex VIEW
ROWLAND, Reuben Son Single M 6 1895
Beaumont, Essex VIEW
ROWLAND, Bertie Son Single M 5 1896
Beaumont, Essex

Reggie

Reggie Report 29 Jul 2013 14:49

There is no death on FMP for Bertie

Reggie

Reggie Report 29 Jul 2013 14:50

ROWLAND, B A

Rank: Private
Service No: 15312
Date of Death: 30/09/1916
Regiment/Service: Coldstream Guards1st Bn.

Grave Reference IX. W. 2.
Cemetery
GUARDS' CEMETERY, LESBOEUFS
Additional Information:

Maddie

Maddie Report 29 Jul 2013 14:52

is this it Reggie
Name: Bertie Rowland
Birth Date: abt 1896
Date of Registration: Jun 1918
Age at Death: 22
Registration District: Crickhowell
Inferred County: Breconshire
Volume: 11b
Page: 130

Reggie

Reggie Report 29 Jul 2013 14:52

1911 census


Person: WEBB, Gertrude Mary Address: 48 Jarvis Road South Croydon

WEBB, Alfred John Head Married3 years M 31 1880 Greengrocer Dorkings Surrey VIEW
WEBB, Gertrude Mary Wife Married F 23 1888 Wicks Essex VIEW
WEBB, William John Son M 2 1909 Croydon Surrey VIEW
WEBB, Leslie George Son M 0 (6 MONTH) 1911 Croydon Surrey VIEW
ROWLAND, Bertie Alfred Boarder Single M 15 1896 Farm Labourer Beaumont Essex

Reggie

Reggie Report 29 Jul 2013 14:57

That could be the one Joyce refers to, Maddie. Thanks

I think that one may be on 1911 in the Rhondda...............

I was looking for him with his second initial

Maddie

Maddie Report 29 Jul 2013 14:59

from a tree on ancestry
no details of what happened to getrude but have these children

Gertrude Mary Rowland 1889 –

George Webb 1909 – 1989
Stanley Rowland Webb 1912 – 1985
Queenie Mary Gertrude Webb 1914 – 1999
may not be correct

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 29 Jul 2013 15:00

1901 England Census
about Bertie Rowland Name: Bertie Rowland
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Matilda Rowland
Gender: Male
Where born: Beaumont, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Beaumont with Moze
Ecclesiastical parish: St Leonard
Town: Beaumont with Moze
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: Tendring
Sub-registration District: Thorpe
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 89
Piece: 1694
Folio: 12
Page Number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
Matilda Rowland 48 (Married) Charwoman
Arthur Rowland 23
Robert Rowland 20
William Rowland 16
Gertrude Rowland 12
Ralph Rowland 10
Rena Rowland 7
Reuben Rowland 6
Bertie Rowland 5


Reggie

Reggie Report 29 Jul 2013 15:00

A possible death?

Name: WEBB, Gertrude M
Registration district: Swindon
County: Wiltshire
Year of registration: 1953
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at death:65
Volume no: 7C
Page no: 459

Maddie

Maddie Report 29 Jul 2013 15:02

maybe
Civil registration event: Birth
View the original image

Name: WEBB, Queenie M G

Registration district: [?] Croydon

County: Surrey

Year of registration: 1915

Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar

Mother's maiden name: Rowland

Volume no:[?]2A

Page no:[?]437

Reggie

Reggie Report 29 Jul 2013 15:02

Perhaps someone with Ancestry would be good enough to look for possible service records for Bertie................based on the death info....................

Reggie

Reggie Report 29 Jul 2013 15:03

As Gertrude was Joyce's grandmother, one would expect her to know the names of the children, although in the original post, she didn't mention that she knew the woman's married name...............

Maddie

Maddie Report 29 Jul 2013 15:04


UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919 about Bertie Alfred Rowland
Name: Bertie Alfred Rowland
Birth Place: Beaumont, Essex
Death Date: 30 Sep 1916
Death Location: France & Flanders
Enlistment Location: Croydon
Rank: Private
Regiment: Coldstream Guards
Number: 15312
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre