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Jean,

Are you certain they are brothers with 21 years between them?

I did find a possible marriage of the parents? He was 30 she was 26.

1869 MOORE HENRY STEWART MARGARET TRADESTON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/09 0216

Ahhhh.... Henry's birth....

1859 STEWART HENRY MOORE M HUTCHESONTOWN GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/10 0933

OK, still hunting...

EDIT: found Alexander's birth and the marriage details on it matches. I suppose with Margaret being so young with the first child they chose to wait?

1880 MOORE ALEXANDER M ANDERSTON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/10 0599


T x

Hi CM,

I have this...

11/01/1851 KINNMENT ALEXANDER MARGARET WILKIE/ M LIFF, BENVIE AND INVERGOWRIE /ANGUS 301/00 0040 0348

I cannot however find a birth for Catherine :(


Tracey x

Hi T,

Henry's birth is shown as Stewart Henry Moore , his parents weren't married at the time,

jean

Hello Tracey,
got it from Non Conformist BMD's site...thought it was on Genealogist, but not to worry if I've made a mistake, lol :-))

Chris :)

Thanks Irene :)

Not ignoring yours Jean, i am still doing some searches.... the birth for Henry the son is not coming up tho ? :(


T x

Hi Chris,

There is nothing coming up that i can see?

Did you find him on a basic search of the site or are you just hoping he'd be there?

Tracey x

Hi Tracey

Many thanks for your kind offer........I'm searching for the birth of:

Catherine Hay Kinmond c1854, Dundee (according to the 1881 census).

Her parents were Alexander Kinmond and Margaret Wilkie, married (according to their son Robert's birth reg), 11 Jan 1851, Liff, Benvie & Invergowrie. Robert was born 14 Sept 1855, Longforgen, Perthshire. Their 2nd son Charles was born in the East Indies, which explains why I've never found them on a 1861 census I guess.

The name is sometimes spelt Kimment.

Thank you very much.

Mary

Well done Tracey

Allen Grace Jolly 1800 Baptism Cornwall RG4_0201 Full Details Page

Hello Tracey, would you be able to check out the above, on Genealogist, Non Conformist BMD's please, would be very grateful.
Thanking you,

Chris :)

Hi Tracey,
I wonder if you could help with these 2 brothers please.
A death /marriage if possible.

Henry stewart Moore b. 3.6.1859 , parents Henry Moore and Margaret Stewart.
Last on the 1881 census with his parents living in 68, Clyde street, Glasgow. Occupation hammerman.

Alexander Moore b. 26.4.1880. last on the 1891 census with his parents living at 91, Yorkhill Street, Anderston, Glasgow.

Thanks very much
jean

James,

Here's your Jean and Mary

1 28/03/1805 SIMPSON JEAN JOHN SIMPSON/AGNES ORR FR491 SLAMANNAN /STIRLING 489/00 0020 0189
2 06/11/1806 SIMPSON MARY JOHN SIMPSON/AGNES ORR FR494 SLAMANNAN /STIRLING 489/00 0020 0192

I cannot seem to find a marriage for this couple James... :(
I am still looking for some deaths for you...

Tracey x

Thank you Tracey, I have sent you a pm.

Regards
Kath

Hi Kimm,

Nothing is coming up, i have looked at all the certs for 1897 and some for 1896 and 1898.

Tracey x

Tracey, I'm hurt! All those Reubens, but no PMs re my Clinic post about my Scottish troubles? ;)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/help_clinic/thread/1249808

Well here ya go, then.

Ann(e) Rae, daughter of Henry Rae, merchant, and Anne Nicol (per death registration at SP)
- Born c March 1805 (aged 53 yrs 2 mo at death in May 1858)
- Died 1858 Wardlawhill Street, Rutherglen, Lanarkshire (I have the SP image)
- Married Richard Castle Bernard 1839 New Greyfriars, Edinburgh (I have the SP image), surname Rae so presumably single - father Henry Rae, carrier (definitely not currier)

Became Ann(e) Bernard or Barnard
(husband's family was Barnard but his baptism was recorded as Bernard in Wiltshire, he used Bernard in some official/parish records, Barnard in censuses)

Cannot find her in 1841 or 1851
- 1841, husband Richard Barnard, gold beater, was a lodger in Gorbals
- 1851, husband was in workhouse in Mere, Wiltshire, married
- 1858, husband signed her death registration in Rutherglen
- 1861, husband was in workhouse in Mere, Wiltshire, widowed; died 1869


1841 census at the address they were married from in 1839:

Name: William Rae
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Where born: Scotland
Occupation: Cutter I

Civil Parish: Edinburgh New Greyfriars
County: Midlothian
Address: 8 Grassmkt

Alex Rae 24 *
Alex Rae 5
Margt Rae 26
Mary Rae 3
Mary Rae 12
William Rae 26 *

* They have to be her brothers.

1851

Civil Parish: Edinburgh New Greyfriars
County: Midlothian
Address: 85 Gross Market
Name: Alexr Rae
Estimated birth year: abt 1819
Where born: Glasgow, Lanark
Occupation: Cuteler,journeman
Mary Rae 29
Henry Rae 20 - cuteler, journeman - another brother
Robert Rae 8

Civil Parish: Glasgow St James
County: Lanarkshire
Name: Wm Rae
Estimated birth year: abt 1811
Where born: Glasgow
Occupation: Cutler

(Maybe a gold beater met cutlers professionally ...)


What I really want to know is whether Richard and Ann had any children, who would be half-siblings of my grx2 grandparent.

I can't find Ann(e) Bernard/Barnard in the 1841 or 1851 (she would have been in Scotland in 1841 at least, surely).

I can't find any births
- there are a load of births to a Richard Bernard and Elizabeth Robertson before the 1839 marriage to Ann Rae -- not him, she is Betsy Barnard, widow of coal miner, in 1851
- wife Catherine Gardiner/Gardener is out: births up to 1840
- wife Janet Snadon is likely out: births 1811, 1813, 1820, Clackmannan
(Richard had one child that I know of in England by marriage there, 1819 Bristol)

So in all likelihood there were no births, but if I could find Ann in a census, I'd know!

So that's the biggie -- where is she in 41 and 51.

I'd hoped that finding her birth/parents might tell me where she was born, for searching censuses, but no luck. But it does seem her brothers were born in Glasgow, and she's older, so likely her too.


............. No rush. ;)

Hi Kath,

Baptisms at that time were just a few lines recorded in the Baptism book, it does not produce a birth certificate as per later births (1855 for Scottish records).

The few lines for Katherines baptism just comfirm the details already stated, with the addition of the birth (as per Ellen's post) and the address of Flesh Markel Close, Middle Church Parish, Perth, father's occupation Carter.

The marriage states,

Alexander MacKenzie, East Church Parish, Perth and Christian Angus in the West Church Parish, Daughter of Thomas Angus of Al***ethy.
Married at St Paul's Church.

I can email you both images if you wish.

Please PM your email address, do not post it here.


Tracey x

Hi Tracey,
Thank you very much indeed for your help.

Would it be cheeky of me to ask you to have a look at Katherine's birth and/or the 1824 marriage please?

I really do appreciate your kindness & generosity.

Regards
Kath

Kimm,

Can you please give me the census details.

Tracey x

CHRISTIAN ANGUS
Father: THOMAS ANGUS
Spouse: ALEXANDER MC KENZIE Family
Marriage: 02 MAR 1824 St Pauls, Perth, Perth, Scotland

Husband Age at Marriage: 24
Submitted entry

Thank you Helen,
That information is in my post as above but I was asking Tracey if she would check it out for me as she has spare credits.
I have a feeling it is too early for my Catherine.

Thanks
Kath

Kath,

Just to help a little, the parents possible marriage?

02/03/1824 MCKENZIE ALEXANDER and CHRISTIAN ANGUS/FR7859 M PERTH /PERTH 387/00 0300 0191

...and their children including Katherine!

1 11/03/1827 MACKENZIE ALEXANDER ALEXANDER MACKENZIE/CHRISTIAN ANGUS FR6310 M PERTH /PERTH 387/00 0250 0158
8 02/01/1825 MACKENZIE JANET PAE ALEXANDER MACKENZIE/CHRISTIAN ANGUS FR6181 F PERTH /PERTH 387/00 0240 0506
11 20/10/1833 MACKENZIE KATHERINE ALEXANDER MACKENZIE/CHRISTIAN ANGUS F PERTH /PERTH 387/00 0260 0218
13 06/12/1835 MACKENZIE THOMAS ALEXANDER MACKENZIE/CHRISTIAN ANGUS M PERTH /PERTH 387/00 0260 0454


Tracey x