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Could someone please look up my mums family, my mums Doris her middle name was Wignall, she told me her mum died when she was young, i found a Rose b 1882, who died when my mum was 12. G'mas name was supposedly Margaret Rose Smith before she married Thomas Smith in 1905. I once found a Thomas Wignall Smith, but i don't know where and i have a Thomas William, i'm running out of credits going round in circles...

There's this one:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Sep 1879 (>99%)
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Smith Thomas Wignall Preston 8e 582a

And his marriage but he doesn't seem to have married who you think he did:

Marriages Sep 1904 (>99%)
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Black Stephen Preston 8e 1214
BREAKELL Jane Preston 8e 1214
Hebert Ann Preston 8e 1214
Smith Thomas Wignall Preston 8e 1214

1911 census - household transcription
Person: SMITH, Thomas
Address: 92 Eldon Street Preston

Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

SMITH, Thomas Head Married M 31 1880 Machine Mason Preston Lancashire
SMITH, Rose Wife Married 6 years F 29 1882 Preston Lancashire
SMITH, Sidney Son M 5 1906 Preston Lancashire
SMITH, Doris Daughter F 4 1907 Preston Lancashire
SMITH, Frederick Stanley Son M 1 1910 Preston Lancashire

The marriage:

Marriages Jun 1905 (>99%)
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SMITH Rose Preston 8e 1158
SMITH Thomas Preston 8e 1158

Possible marriage from freebmd:

Marriages Jun 1905 (>99%)
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Almond Thomas Preston 8e 1158
SMITH Rose Preston 8e 1158
SMITH Thomas Preston 8e 1158
WILDING Annie Preston 8e 1158

Thomas & Rose

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1905
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
SMITH Thomas SMITH Rose Preston, Christ Church Preston 248/3/122

unfortunately there are 2 Doris Smiths born 1907 in Preston both with mmn = Smith!!

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1907
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
SMITH Doris Wignall West Preston Preston SMITH WP/6/70
SMITH Doris North Preston Preston SMITH NP/10/24

for Thomas & Rose's children probably the 2nd Doris as they were both born North Preston sub district



Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1910
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
SMITH Frederick Stanley North Preston Preston SMITH NP/18/25

have you got your mother's birth certificate Mary. To solve her parentage with a name like Smith I think you need it.

Is that family yours form the 1911 census, assuming you know the name of your Doris's siblings

Surprisingly there is only 1 Rose Smith on the 1891/1901 census of the right age in Preston:

Rose Smith
Age 8
Estimated Year of Birth 1883
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Scholar
Address 15, Carter Street
District Preston, St John
Parish Preston
Administrative County Lancashire
Birth Place Preston
Birth County Lancashire

Mary Smith 47 widow charwoman
Ann Eliza 16 cotton weaver
John Robert 15
Albert 6

Rose Smith
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Age Last Birthday 18
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Cotton Weaver
Employment Status
Condition as to Marriage Single
Where Born Lancs Preston
Address 7 Carter St
Civil Parish Preston
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet Preston
Ecclesiastical Parish Christ Church
Parliamentary Borough or Division Preston
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Preston
Administrative County Lancashire
Ward of Municipal Borough or Urban District Christ Church

Mary Smith 52
Albert 16

Thank You, MadBull, tempest, Flip and lancashireAnn, a bit of sorting to do methinks...
mary

1881 at same address as 1891:

1252 SMITH, Robert Head Married M 37 1844 Railway Fitter (Eng)
N K VIEW
1252 SMITH, Mary Wife Married F 33 1848
Pton
Lancashire VIEW
1252 SMITH, Ann A Daughter Single F 7 1874 Scholar
Pton
Lancashire VIEW
1252 SMITH, John R Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar
Pton
Lancashire VIEW
1252 SMITH, Jessie Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholar
Pton
Lancashire VIEW

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RG number:
RG11 Piece:
4239 Folio:
139 Page:
28

Registration District:
Preston Sub District:
St John Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Preston Municipal Borough:
Address:
15, Carter St, Preston County:
Lancashire

lanashireAnn : the 1911 census is correct for mum and 2 uncles, i will have to get a birth cert, i have asked my sister if she has one but i haven't heard back from her yet. just my luck to have a Smith marrying a Smith !

Flip : thanks for the 1881 census, Jessie wasn't on the other census so she either died or married, Ann A 1874 on the 81 must be Ann Eliza 1875 on the 91,

Thank you . mary

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1887
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
SMITH Jessie 6 St John Preston ST.J/12/63

I suspect that census age in 1881 should read 6mths not 6yrs as it it llisted below the 1876 birth
MMN for the others was Robinson also

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1881
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
SMITH Jessie St John Preston ROBINSON ST.J/6/98

In the baptism batch on the IGI there was also a Louisa & a Sarah

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1879
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
SMITH Louisa St John Preston ROBINSON ST.J/3/49

ancashire Death indexes for the years: 1880
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
SMITH Louisa 1 St John Preston ST.J/4/36

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1877
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
SMITH Sarah Elizabeth Preston Preston ROBINSON PRES/236/61

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1883
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
SMITH Sarah Elizabeth 5 St John Preston ST.J/7/75

I was just coming back to say i found Jessie thro FreeBMD listed as a Death in March 1887 age 6.
my pc is now on a go-slow, so i shall take the opportunity to go and have some tea.
Thank you very much for the info.
mary.

Can i just ask :- What is " IGI" ?
and what is " N K VIEW" on the census form for Robert Smith from Flip,
Thanks mary.

NK is Not Known (ie whoever gave the information to the census collector didn't know where the person was born) - View simply refers to the transcript where you can click to view the original image. Obviously you can't do this from the copy/paste onto this thread.

IGI is the International Geological Index - you can access it from www.familysearch.org for free, and there are other sites which charge. There may be other free sites, but I'm not sure.

Thanks Flip. wasn't getting anywhere near those solutions! lol , much obliged.

IGI is International Genealogical Index. (Nothing to do with geology!)

OOps, sorry my typing obviously isn't up to much, must re-read posts!