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Familyfinder

Familyfinder Report 29 Aug 2011 19:47






I have had lots of help unscrambling an India mystery!-but having found Out that my 'Indian army' bride had a father called Patrick devine -I still can't get any further for certain.

I found a possible birth for Winifred Devine/Divine the bride 9 May 1853. Lancashire. Parents Patrick and Winefrid Gralton Devine.(Spelt Winefrida)

IF thats the correct one-she had siblings born 1851,Thomas and 1855 Owen-all Lancashire too.

tried looking for any of them on the immigration/emmigration registers-but found nothing. Can anybody help me find if indeed this Winifred stayed in England-obviously if she did after about 1865 then shes not mine!

incidentally these two devine boys that I found seem to have criminal records!-but i can't get into them to see any more info.

MY Winefrid died as Winifred Strong in 1878.(Portsea Hampshire)-but again can find no record of her travelling back-but then I don't know if there are any army travelling records???

any help would be fantastic if you would like to help.








England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892

Immigration & Emigration Books


View Image
NAME:
Owen Devine
RESIDENCE:
3 Jan 1878 - Lancashire, England

Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 29 Aug 2011 19:58

He got 9 month for actual bodily harm

Roy

Familyfinder

Familyfinder Report 29 Aug 2011 20:00

thanks Porkie Pie. ALl i have to is find out if there is any conection!!!- maybe hoping not!

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 29 Aug 2011 20:08

loads of Patrick Devine's in India - do you have more details plese?

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 29 Aug 2011 20:09

Winifred Devine
India Marriages, 1792-1948

birth: 1851
marriage: 15 Jul 1867 —Kussowlie Bengal, India
parents: Patrick Devine
spouse: Henry Charles Howard Strong

record title: India Marriages, 1792-1948
groom's name: Henry Charles Howard Strong
groom's birth date: 1837
groom's age: 30
bride's name: Winifred Devine
bride's birth date: 1851
bride's age: 16
marriage date: 15 Jul 1867
marriage place: Kussowlie Bengal, India
groom's father's name: Charles Strong
bride's father's name: Patrick Devine
indexing project (batch) number: M02034-6
system origin: India-EASy
source film number: 499027

Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 29 Aug 2011 20:10

Don't no what it means but

Name: Thomas Devine
Date of Trial: 15 Jan 1880
Trial Year: 1880
Location of Trial: Lancashire, England
Sentence: Imprisonment
Crime: See Image
Date of Execution or Release: See Image

He got 18 months with 7 years police supervision for it looks like Double Uttering base coin before convicted of felony

theirs a Thomas Byrne listed above his entry with the same sentence so could be his partner in crime?

Roy

just googled Uttering base coin.

Uttering is a legal term for Forgery
Base coin (also: Contravention of 2 Will. IV, c. 34; 24 & 25 Vict.)
Manufacturing, forging or using counterfeit coins or money.

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 29 Aug 2011 20:12

??

Patrick Divine
India Deaths and Burials, 1719-1948

birth: 1829
death: 30 Jun 1872
burial: 30 Jun 1872 —Benares, Bengal, India

record title: India Deaths and Burials, 1719-1948
name: Patrick Divine
gender: Male
burial date: 30 Jun 1872
burial place: Benares, Bengal, India
death date: 30 Jun 1872
age: 43
birth date: 1829
marital status: Unknown
indexing project (batch) number: B39239-2
system origin: India-EASy
source film number: 499046

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 29 Aug 2011 20:16

Winefrida Devine Pedigree
Female
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event(s):
Birth: 09 MAY 1853

Christening: 22 MAY 1853 St Mary Woolton, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Parents:
Father: Patrick Devine Family
Mother: Winefrid Gralton Devine
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

patchem

patchem Report 29 Aug 2011 20:42

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1278666

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 29 Aug 2011 20:44

oh no!!!

Familyfinder

Familyfinder Report 29 Aug 2011 20:46

Thanks Guys-these are more or less what I came up with-But having trouble proving what goes together!

I think the parents of the Winefrid born in 1853 seemed to stay in England (Certainly still there in 1881 with several older children) and now I just found a posible death for that Winifred in Lancashire.:


Winifred Divine
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1877
Age at Death: 25
Registration district: Clitheroe
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8e
Page: 207 (click to see others on page)

which again -if she is that one-then she's not mine!

will read through and digest again all the extra snippets you've left me-especially the India bits-thanks very much -I'm sure it will all make sense eventually!

Familyfinder

Familyfinder Report 29 Aug 2011 20:48

Sorry Ann-yes,ALL i have really is what you found-the marriage,her father and that she stayed in India till about 1875 and then died at Portsea Hampshire- age 28- which ties up with her age at marriage (16).

All a bit confusing-sorry x I have no idea where she was born or her Father Patrick

Familyfinder

Familyfinder Report 29 Aug 2011 20:54

sorry to anybody who has been annoyed at me having two threads-but I checked for my other one earlier and it was missing from 'my threads' . I would not have strated a new one if I could have carried it on I assure you-I've been on here too long to know not to do two threads. I will close both now so i don't upset anyone else.Sorry again-and thanks for all your help-but please blame GR not me-my thread was missing :-(