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Ellen Jury maiden name?

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CSM2920

CSM2920 Report 17 Oct 2011 20:17

Hi all.

I am tracing my maternal lineage and have got back to my great grandmother, who I believe to be Constance Helen Jury (DOB c 1882), married to a William Jones (DOB c 1880). They are showing as living in London.

I have got the mothers name of Constance as Ellen Jury (married name I guess), however, I cannot find her maiden name, and marriage, etc.

Am I missing a simple check, as I seem to be hitting a brick wall now?

Paul

JustDinosaurJill

JustDinosaurJill Report 17 Oct 2011 20:33

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

Would you like to post some more names and details that got you back to the lady you believe to be your great grandmother as this is the only marriage I can find for a Jones to a Jury and for sure if they have the approx dates of birth you have, are too young to be this couple. My search period was Mar 1890 to Dec 1930. Jill

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Marriages Jun 1891 (>99%)
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Jones William Gravesend 2a 819
Jury Alice Mary Gravesend 2a 819


Helen

Helen Report 17 Oct 2011 20:42

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Constance Helen Jury
Name: Constance Helen Jury
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1884
Baptism Date: 2 Jan 1884
Father's Name: Edmund Jury
Mother's Name: Ellen Jury
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras St Paul
Borough: Camden

Helen

Helen Report 17 Oct 2011 20:54

RG14PN3593 RG78PN135 RD41 SD1 ED13 SN71

Reg. District: Richmond Sub District: Richmond
Parish: Richmond Enum. District: 13
Address: 276 Sandycombe Road Kew Gardens
County: Surrey
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born


JURY, Ellen Head Married
30 years F 58 1853 Nottingham
JURY, Edmund Egerton Son Single M 26 1885 Clerk Typewriter Business London St Pancras
JURY, Cecil Mary Daughter Single F 28 1883 Stenographer Typewriter Business London St Pancras
JURY, Constance Helen Daughter Single F 19 1892 London St Pancras

Helen

Helen Report 17 Oct 2011 20:56

1881 England Census about Ellen Sharpe
Name: Ellen Sharpe
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England

Civil parish: St Pancras
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 20 Brecknock Crescent
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Kentish Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 210
Folio: 86
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Emiley Honey 38
Alfred Honey 16
George S. Honey 3
Ellen Sharpe 26
Edmund Jury 31
Alfred Woodcock 59
Eliza Bateman 23

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alviegal

alviegal Report 17 Oct 2011 20:57

1901 England Census about Constance H Gury
Name: Constance H Gury
[Constance H Jury]
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Ellen Gury
Gender: Female
Where born: St Pancras, London, England

Civil parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: St Pancras
Sub-registration district: Camden Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 5
Piece: 149
Folio: 81
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Ellen Gury 47 Where born: Nottinghamshire, England
Cecil M Gury 19
Constance H Gury 19
Edmund E Gury 16
Herbert Wood 27
William Schreider 30
Henry Grueber 40
William E Clifton 21
Francis G Robinson 22
Rose Coleman 21
Herbert H Miles 37

alviegal

alviegal Report 17 Oct 2011 21:01

A tree on An**try has this census for her in 1881.

1881 England Census about Ellen Sharpe
Name: Ellen Sharpe
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England

Civil parish: St Pancras
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 20 Brecknock Crescent
Education:

Employment status:

View image

Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Kentish Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 210
Folio: 86
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Emiley Honey 38
Alfred Honey 16
George S. Honey 3
Ellen Sharpe 26
Edmund Jury 31 London, Middlesex, England, clerk
Alfred Woodcock 59
Eliza Bateman 23

alviegal

alviegal Report 17 Oct 2011 21:02

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1861-1941 about Ellen Jury
Name: Ellen Jury of Woodstock Woodbury
Probate Date: 26 Jan 1934
Death Date: 19 Mar 1933
Death Place: Exeter, Devon, England
Registry: Oxford

£203 7s 6d was left to Constance Helen, spinster.

Helen

Helen Report 17 Oct 2011 21:09

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 about Constance H Jury
Name: Constance H Jury
Birth Date: abt 1884
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1954
Age at Death: 70
Registration district: Devon Central
Inferred County: Devon
Volume: 7b
Page: 284

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 17 Oct 2011 21:18

so, it doesn't look as though this Constance Helen Jury married anyone, let alone a William Jones!



How did you get back to her, Paul?





sylvia

Julie

Julie Report 17 Oct 2011 21:20

This is only a maybe

Marriages Mar 1881 (>99%)
Foster Annie Pancras 1b 17
JURY Edmund Pancras 1b 17

Births Dec 1857 (>99%)
Foster Annie Ellen Bethnal Gn 1c 267
___________

You really need to get Constance B/C for her Mum's maiden name

alviegal

alviegal Report 17 Oct 2011 21:23

That is the one on the 1881 census Julie. He was a clerk. They were both of 20 Brecknock Crescent.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Edmund Jury
Name: Edmund Jury
Age: Full Age
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Spouse Name: Annie Foster
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 31 Mar 1881
Parish: St Thomas, Agar Town
County: Surrey
Father Name: Edmund Thomas Jury, gentleman
Father Name: Thomas Foster, chorister

Witnesses were Egerton? Clark? and Horatio David Church.

Egerton is the middle name of one of the children in 1911.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 17 Oct 2011 21:29

well, this is interesting!


from ancestry


The address for both is the same as on the 1881 Census


Marriage of Edmund Jury

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Edmund Jury

Name: Edmund Jury
Age: Full Age
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Spouse Name: Annie Foster
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 31 Mar 1881
Parish: St Thomas, Agar Town
County: Surrey
Father Name: Edmund Thomas Jury


from image:-

Edmund
of Full Age
Bachelor
Address:- 20 Brecknock Crescent N.W
Occupation:- Clerk
Father occupation:- Gentleman


Annie
Of Full Age
pinster
no occupation shown
Address:- 20 Brecknock Crescent N.W
Father and occupation:- Thomas Foster, Chorister


Witnesses:- Egerton Church and Horatio David Church

Married by License




sylvia

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 17 Oct 2011 21:30

snap Alviegal!

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 17 Oct 2011 21:34

??? that Edmind's baptism??


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Edmund Jury

Name: Edmund Jury
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1849
Baptism Date: 20 May 1849
Father's Name: Edmund Thomas Jury
Mother's Name: Mary Jury
Parish or Poor Law Union: Christchurch
Borough: City of London


rfom image:-

Born April 19 1849
Address:- 7 Newgate Market
Father Occupation:- Salesman




sylvia

alviegal

alviegal Report 17 Oct 2011 21:34

Ok, this is getting strange. This seems to be the 1871 for Edmund and Annie staying with the Sharpes. Was she married before?

1871 England Census about Edmund Tury
Name: Edmund Tury
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Camden Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 449
Piece: 232
Folio: 111
Page Number: 62
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Sharpe 57 Cotgrave, Nottinghamshire, England, professor of music
Sarah A Sharpe 45 Where born: On The Sea
Annie Foster 20 Where born: Ratcliff, Nottinghamshire, England, visitor
Edmund Tury 21 clerk to corporation of City of London

It says she is unmarried.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 17 Oct 2011 21:40

Let's go back to square 1


Paul

You say:-

" I am tracing my maternal lineage and have got back to my great grandmother, who I believe to be Constance Helen Jury (DOB c 1882), married to a William Jones (DOB c 1880). They are showing as living in London."


Have you found them on a cenus, where they are living in London?

Please will you post that Census, so that we can all see it

How did you get back to them?


Where did you find their marriage? None of us can seemingly find such a marriage.

What proof do you ahve thta Constance Helen Jury is your maternal gt grandmother?




sylvia

CSM2920

CSM2920 Report 17 Oct 2011 21:44

Thank you to you all.

I was not expecting such a quick and detailed response.

I will need to double check some of the details here, but I have found from the 1891 Census that Ellen (?Sharp) had sent her children to Nottingham to stay with a Thomas and Sarah Ann Sharpe, and in the 1911 Census Ellens place of birth was showing Nottingham.

As soon as I get more time to look into this info, I will be back.

Once again,

thank you very much.

Paul

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 17 Oct 2011 21:56

and this ties the Jury children back to the Sharpes

1891 Census

Name: Couslance H Gury
[Constance H. Jury]
[Couslance H Jury]
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England

Civil parish: Cotgrave
Ecclesiastical parish: Cotgrave
Town: Cotgrave
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Registration district: Bingham
Sub-registration district: Bingham

Thomas Sharp 77
Sarah Ann Sharp 55
Cacilah Gury 9
Couslance H Gury 7
Edmund E Gury 5





but that same tree also says Constance died unmarried in Devon





sylvia

chrissiex

chrissiex Report 17 Oct 2011 22:31

are you tracing through one of these children ?


Births Sep 1911
JONES Edna M Jury Wandsworth 1d 1274
Jones Reggie H Jury Wandsworth 1d 1274

* Births Mar 1912
Jones Charles E Jury W.Ham 4a 500

* Births Dec 1913
Jones William A Jury W.ham 4a 525

Births Dec 1914
JONES Winifred R Jury Wandsworth 1d 1129


the Wandsworth births likely belong to

Marriages Sep 1908
- JONES Albert Edward Wandsworth 1d 1211
- JURY Alice Ellen Wandsworth 1d 1211
WEBB Eliza Wandsworth 1d 1211
WHISKER Herbert Henry Wandsworth 1d 1211

the West Ham births and Wandsworth births would probably be mutually exclusive ... mid to late 1911 and early 1912 ...

I don't see a marriage to account for the West Ham births

Name: Constance H Jury
Birth Date: abt 1884
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1954
Age at Death: 70
Registration district: Devon Central
Inferred County: Devon
Volume: 7b
Page: 284

so it looks as if they partnered but did not marry ?