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1861 Wales Census - missing records

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HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 27 Nov 2012 18:06

Any help gratefully accepted!

Jude

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 27 Nov 2012 18:06

Any help gratefully accepted!

Jude

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 27 Nov 2012 18:42

This could be Samuels family?


1841 England Census about Samuel Taylor
Name: Samuel Taylor
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Middleton
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

View image

Registration district: Ashton and Oldham
Sub-registration district: Middleton
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 544
Book: 11
Folio: 7
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
John Taylor 50
Sarah Taylor 50
William Taylor 26
Betty Taylor 22
Margreth Taylor 20
Samuel Taylor 17
Ann Taylor 15
Ellen Taylor 13
Nancy Taylor 11
Mary Taylor 7
William Taylor 70

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 27 Nov 2012 19:09

Moody Blue, yes this is my guess at Samuel's family rather than one with mother Nanny and sister Nancy. But not much chance of proving it...an educated leap of faith!

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 27 Nov 2012 20:54

the baptism for the above Samuel???

Baptisms: 26 Oct 1823 St Leonard, Middleton, Lancashire, England
Samuel Taylor - Son of John Taylor & Sarah
Abode: Middleton
Occupation: Weaver
Baptised by: John Haughton Rector
Register: Baptisms 1822 - 1828, Page 60, Entry 480
Source: LDS Film 1545700

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 27 Nov 2012 23:22

thought I remembered something about this one

for ref

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1274280

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 28 Nov 2012 06:48

Yes that's why I wasn't asking about Samuel, Ann! The original thread was posted when I knew absolutely nothing about Samuel and Mary. I knew they had married in 1851 and then phut disappeared into the ether. This thread was originally ALL about finding Mary and Mary Jane in 1861 knowing Samuel had died. And because I was new at this game - and the original post was on the genealogy board - I updated the old thread to "close it" and opened this one on Find Ancestors. Hence it was this one I updated.

I may turn my attention to Samuel and Middleton at some point (in which case I will update the old thread even though it is on the "wrong" board) but all I really want to try and do is see if I can find any missing records for my dad's surpise.

Only thing I am missing about Mary (mum) is 1861 and I guess nobody is ever going to find that!

But it would also be nice if any emigration/immigration records could be found. I have not managed to find any.

Jude

Choccy

Choccy Report 28 Nov 2012 07:24


is this them?


Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960

Name: Mrs M J CADOGAN
Date of departure: 25 September 1891
Port of departure: London
Destination port: Melbourne
Destination country: Australia

Date of Birth: 1853 (calculated from age)
Age: 38
Marital Status: Married
Sex: Female
Occupation:
Notes:
Passenger recorded on: Page 4 of 13

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The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -

Alen CADOGAN (looks like Alex) age 9

Alice M CADOGAN age 5

Clifford T CADOGAN age 12

Mr D CADOGAN (Carpenter) age 40

Emily G CADOGAN age 7

Ernest H CADOGAN age 11

Samuel CADOGAN age 18


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Ship: ORIENT
Official Number:
Master's name: W G Darby
Steamship Line:
Where bound: Sydney, Australia
Square feet: 5643
Registered tonnage: 5365
Passengers on voyage: 439



If you think it might be them, I can send you the original image


HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 28 Nov 2012 13:07

Choccy - spot on! Is this off Ancestry - I have Worldwide so if you point me in the right direction I can find it (probably)

Jude

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 28 Nov 2012 13:48

Hi Jude

just thought I would post that link as you mention in in your opening post so that anyone could look if they wished. Not meant as a criticism

Ann :-)

Choccy

Choccy Report 28 Nov 2012 13:50



Hi Jude,

It's on FMP - will send you the image by PM


Choccy

Choccy Report 28 Nov 2012 13:54



PM sent :-)


HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 28 Nov 2012 15:23

Ann - I wasn't taking it as criticism but you know how trigger happy some person is :-)

I will resurrect the Samuel thread sometime (which is why I haven't deleted it) because it will be an interesting diversion for me

But it's for the future because my priority at the mo is interesting bits about my dad's direct lines....I've got to fill up forty pages!

Jude

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 28 Nov 2012 16:41

Sorry my fault re Samuel.............was looking to see if Mary J was with the grandparents on 1861 but .....she wasnt ! ....and I put the 1841 up as I had found it. Just trying all angles.:)

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 28 Nov 2012 18:19

Moody Blue - no worries - as I said to Ann...there is someone on GR who takes GREAT pleasure in hitting the report button and revels in being anonymous. But spurred on by both of you...I have just this second ordered the marriage certificate of Samuel and Mary Jane which hopefully will pin down his father! :-)

Jude

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 28 Nov 2012 22:40

hope it is successful - let us know Jude

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 29 Nov 2012 06:55

I found this yesterday (I have the image)

Name: Mary Jane Cadogan
Birth Date: abt 1853
Age: 61
Port of Departure: Sydney, Australia
Arrival Date: 6 Aug 1914
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Melbourne
[Adelaide]
[Durban]
[Cape Town]
Ship Name: Ballarat
Search Ship Database: View the 'Ballarat' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Peninsula and Orient Steam Navigation Company Ltd
Official Number: 131851

But I have not been able to find her "going back" which I know she did. She died in Leura Blue Mountains NSW Australia and in the probate her address was given as Caversham Otago (from memory). Alice May's diaries also indicate they came back at least once and stayed in Cardiff (but she was apparently a bit of a fantasist so don't know how accurate or when).

As for the 1861 census...tried for an hour last night to no avail :-(

Jude

Choccy

Choccy Report 29 Nov 2012 07:23



New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957

Name: Mary Jane Cadogan
Arrival Date: 28 Aug 1909
Birth Date: abt 1852
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: glymouth
Age: 57
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: English
Port of Departure: Southampton
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Philadelphia
Search Ship Database: Search the Philadelphia in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database



Source Citation: Year: 1909; Arrival; Microfilm Serial: T715; Microfilm Roll: 1323; Line: 13; Page Number: 97.


Occupation - Housekeeper
travelling to Springfield, Massachusetts

Nearest relative in UK - Mrs Williams, 159 Newport Road, Cardiff

Choccy

Choccy Report 29 Nov 2012 07:25



1911 census for 159 Newport Road, Cardiff


1911

National Archive Reference: RG14PN32083 RG78PN1845 RD588 SD2 ED16 SN327
Reg. District: Cardiff
Sub District: East Cardiff
Parish: Cardiff
Enum. District: 16
Address: 159 Newport Road Cardiff
County: Glamorganshire


>>WILLIAMS, James Head Widow F 74 1837 Independent Lady St Marys Parish Cardiff (IT IS JANE ON THE ORIGINAL)(!)
PRICE, Janet Niece Single F 35 1876 Independent Lady Roast Parish Cardiff
WILLIAMS, Alice Servant Single F 20 1891 Aberkenfig


Choccy

Choccy Report 29 Nov 2012 07:33



UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960

Name: M Cadogan (described as 'Wife')
Birth Date: abt 1854
Age: 50
Port of Departure: Wellington, New Zealand
Arrival Date: 23 Aug 1904
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Plymouth
Ship Name: Paparoa
Search Ship Database: View the 'Paparoa' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: New Zealand Shipping Company Ltd
Official Number: 111346



Source Citation: Class: BT26; Piece: 233; Item: 52.


(port of embarkation - Lyttleton)

travelling with A.M. Cadogan, aged 17, Student