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Finding the 'White' ancestors is proving difficult

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Gavin

Gavin Report 29 Dec 2011 18:15

Hi
I am new to this, I have already added 111 members to my tree for my maternal grandmothers side, now I am keen to trace my family name through my paternal grandfather. His name was James Frederick White (Jim), born in Wallsend, Tyne & Wear in 1914, he married Dorothy Winifred White (same maiden name as married name) in Billingham, Teesside in the late 1940's, they had 3 sons, David (my father), John and James.
Having lost my own father some years ago all of the history has been lost to other members of the family who I no longer see. I am hoping you may be able to help me trace both routes of the 'White's' but I am most keen to follow the paternal side initially.
Many thanks
Gavin White :-)

Gins

Gins Report 29 Dec 2011 18:20

Hi

Welcome to the boards Gavin

Have you got the birth and marriage certificates for James? If you have them or get them, it will give you more info to go on

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 29 Dec 2011 18:21

Just for info

Name: Dorothy W White
Spouse Surname: White
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1948
Registration district: Durham South Eastern
Inferred County: Durham
Volume Number: 1a
Page Number: 1338


James F White

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 29 Dec 2011 18:25

How have you arrived at James Frederick White being born in 1914 in Wallsend

No obvious birth for that area in that year

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 29 Dec 2011 18:26

Late registration ??

Births Mar 1915 (>99%)
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WHITE James F Horne Tynemouth 10b 456

Gavin

Gavin Report 29 Dec 2011 18:35

Hi Gins

Unfortunately not, they were all given to my uncles when my father died, I no longer see them to get the information.

I have some history for my paternal grandmother (his wife) Dorothy Winifred White, 1920-1992.
She had 2 sisters;
Gertrude Francis White (Trudy) 08th Oct 1913 (Dunfermline, Fife) - 23rd Dec 2007 (Billingham, Teesside)
Lilian Francis White who only lived for 10 yrs approx 1920-1930.

Their parents were;
Charles Wallace White, 1898-05th Jan 1942
Francis Louisa Walker, 31st July1891 (Portskewett, Wales) - 1957 (Billingham, Teesside)

Francis Walkers Parents were;
Charles Walker, 1855? ish
Fanny Jones, 1855? ish

Thats all I have on that side of the family.

Regards

Gavin

Gavin

Gavin Report 29 Dec 2011 18:38

Glitterbaby

I got the initial information from my mother, she knew he was born in Wallsend in 1914 but thats all I had to go on.

Gavin

Gavin

Gavin Report 29 Dec 2011 18:40

Glitter baby

Superb, thank you for the marriage information, I couldnt find a record of it on here....

Gavin

Gavin

Gavin Report 29 Dec 2011 19:05

Additional information for James Frederick White;

He had 3 brothers;

Charles White, 1910? (Wallsend) - 1972
George Henry White, 1912 (Wallsend) - 1991
Albert White, 01st Apr 1919 (Wallsend) - 15th Jan 1981 (Southampton)

Cheers

Gavin

Gavin

Gavin Report 29 Dec 2011 19:26

GlitterBaby

I have checked and indded the registration in 1915 with the maiden name of Horne is indeed my grandfathers. There is an old phoot with the name Horne on the rear which is the only information my mum had relating to my grandfathers mum.

Now I need to find the Horne line too......

Thank you.

Gins

Gins Report 29 Dec 2011 20:36

Gavin

You need to buy the certificates to check the info

You can get them from here at £9.25 each

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

patchem

patchem Report 29 Dec 2011 20:52

Could this be Charles's death, or is it definitely 1972?
Charles White
Birth Date: 20 Jun 1909
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1974
Age at Death: 65
Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Inferred County: Northumberland, Tyne and Wear
Volume: 2
Page: 0633

Ivy

Ivy Report 29 Dec 2011 22:31

Certificates needed, but much of the info is a reasonable fit for this family in 1911:

Name: Charles William White
Age in 1911: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1906
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Willington, London
Civil parish: Wallsend
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street Address: 134 Station Road Wallsend On Tyne
Registration district: Tynemouth
Registration District Number: 559
Sub-registration district: Wallsend
ED, institution, or vessel: 06
Piece: 30712
Household Members:
Name Age
George Henry White 39 b Sheffield
Charles William White 5 b Islington London
Violetta Harriet White 36 b St Pancras London (married 17 years, 1 child)

and this marriage:

Violetta Harriet Horne
born abt 1875
married 10 Mar 1895
to George Henry White
at St Pancras Parish Chapel

Gavin

Gavin Report 29 Dec 2011 22:54

Patchem, thanks but thats not the one.

Ivy, superb, thats them... I have managed to find the history for the Hornes going back to mid 1600's through a 3rd cousin i never knew until tonight.

Still trying to find the Whites, but this is going very well thank you so much.

Slightly confused by the information relating to Charlies birth place, it says Willington in the main text, then in the houshold text it says Islington... any ideas?

Gavin

Ivy

Ivy Report 29 Dec 2011 23:01

Ah yes, the image for the 1911 census is crossed out and rewritten; my guess was London Islington, and I hadn't spotted that the Ancestry transcriber had put Willington.

The baptism record is transcribed as:

Charles William White
19 Dec 1905
George Henry White
Violette Harriet White
Dartmouth Park Hill St Peter
Islington



Gavin

Gavin Report 29 Dec 2011 23:20

Ivy

Thank you very very much.
Now on the hunt for Georges history.... now you have led me to Sheffield as his place of birth. I know it was 27/04/1873 and he was a self employed boot maker.

This is so addictive.
Thanks again

Gavin

Ivy

Ivy Report 29 Dec 2011 23:23

George Henry White gives his occupation as bootmaker on the marriage certificate in 1895, and there is a series of entries on the 1861, 1871 and 1881 census returns that show the following family (but no certainty that this has anything to do with your family):

Name: Harriett White (1861 census)
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas White
Gender: Female

Where born: Sheffield

Civil parish: Sheffield
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: Sheffield Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 175
Piece: 3490
Folio: 46
Page Number: 31
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas White 51Boot and shoe maker
Harriett White 49
Thomas White 19 Cordwainer
John White 16 Chandler
Henry White 12 Cordwainer
Ellen White 9
Jacob Green 22 Cordwainer

1871 census:
Name: Thomas White
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Son
Spouse's Name: Anne White
Mother's name: Harriet White
Gender: Male
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Ecclesall
Ecclesiastical parish: Eldon Street
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow
Sub-registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 157
Piece: 4668
Folio: 158
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
Harriet White 59 widow b Sheffield
Ellen White 19 boot top fitter b Sheffield
Thomas White 29 boot and shoe maker b Sheffield
Anne White 32 b Isle of Man Douglas

1881 census (Hull)
Name: George H. White
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Sculcoates
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: 7 Lorne St

Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Sculcoates
Sub-registration district: West Sculcoates
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4763
Folio: 110
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas White 39 Assurance agent b Sheffield
Annie White 43 b Isle of Man Douglas
George H. White 10

Yes, it is addictive... I'd better stop chasing off on a wild goose chase - just to round off this particular hare, however, there is an entry in 1871 for a John White, married, b Sheffield approx 1845, but away from home in Leeds on the night of the census; the marriage certificate for George Henry says that George Henry's father is deceased by 1895; if John had died before 1881, Thomas may have taken George Henry under his wing?

Gavin

Gavin Report 30 Dec 2011 00:01

Good grief Ivy, how on earth do you uncover all of this??
Indeed these are my family members, I know as they were boot and shoe makers....
Can you find the maiden names of Anne (Isle of Man) or Harriet (Sheffield) before they became whites? Marriage certs etc??
I wish I had your skill at this.

Gavin

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 30 Dec 2011 00:33

Have pmed you a copy of the marriage register entry for the 1895 marriage of Violetta and George.

Gavin

Gavin Report 30 Dec 2011 01:25

Kucinta

Many many thanks for your assistance. You have clarified that I had a link wrong in my tree...... just wish I knew how to correct it? The change parents button is greyed out and if I delete I will lose all the connections :-(

Thanks anyway

Gavin