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Looking to trace both parents of my maternal grandfather.
He was a farm manager in Newton Bewley, Billingham, Cleveland, he was born in Loftus, Yorkshire.

He was married to Rose McKie, they had 4 children;
Sandra Shepherd
Jean Shepherd
Valerie Shepherd
Alan Shepherd

Any history for Stanley would be appreciated.

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005
Name: Stanley J Shepherd
Mother's Maiden Surname: Smith
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1917
Registration district: Guisborough
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume Number: 9d
Page Number: 644



Have you got Stans birth certificate...his moms name was Smith, so youre going to need it!

A copy of his birth certificate should name his parents. With that information you should then be able to discover more about his ancestors.

I have not got it to hand but may be able to locate it...

His father is believed to be Edwin James?
Mothers maiden name confirmed as Smith... first name unknown.... apparently she had 3 sisters though if that helps? Possibly Edith??

sorry to be so vague... but if i knew I wouldn't be here... ha ha ha

You could try and have play around on here until you find the certificate


http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Might this be the parents' marriage??

Possible 'brothers marrying sisters'. ???

Marriages Jun 1913
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Shepherd James E Smith Guisbro 9d 962 ....... ?
Shepherd John R Smith Guisbro 9d 962
Smith Edith A Shepherd Guisbro. 9d 962 ........ ?
Smith Susan Shepherd Guisbro 9d 962

Dea x

This is the 1911 census for the above. Can't see an Edwin James marrying a Smith, only a James Edwin.

1911 census - Loftus, Guisborough, Yorkshire

John Bales - 36
Margaret Jane Bales - 44
John Robert Shepherd - 22 - step-son
James Edwin Shepherd - 20 - step-son - tailor - born Grinkle, Loftus
Florence Alice Bales Shepherd - 16

John Robert certainly married Susan - his Army records are on Ancestry:

British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920
about John Robert Shepherd
Name: John Robert Shepherd
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Age at enlistment: 26
Residence: 13 Cleveland Street, Loftus Yorkshire
Document Year: 1914
Regimental Number: 44720
Regiment Name: Royal Regiment of Artillery (RH & RF??
Number of images: 26

Dea x

Possible 1901 census for Susan and Edith Smith:

At Skinningrove, Yorkshire

Wm Smith abt 1847 Skelton, Yorkshire, England Head
Mary A Smith abt 1858 Bishop Knympton, Devon, England Wife
Flor Bertha Turner abt 1885 Lingdale, Yorkshire, England Daughter
Jno Thos Turner abt 1887 Skinningrove, Yorkshire, England Son
Mary Jane Smith abt 1890 Skinningrove, Yorkshire, England Daughter
Susan Smith abt 1892 Skinningrove, Yorkshire, England Daughter
Edith Annie Smith abt 1895 Skinningrove, Yorkshire, England Daughter

- and the corresponding entry on Ancestry for 1891:

At Skinningrove, Yorkshire

William Smith abt 1847 Skelton, Yorkshire, England
Mary Ann Smith abt 1858 Bishops Nympton, Devon, England
William Henry Tumer abt 1879 South Molton, Devon, England
Wilmot Ann Tumer abt 1881 South Molton, Devon, England
Mary Ellen Tumer abt 1883 South Molton, Devon, England
Florence Bertha Tumer abt 1885 Singdale, Yorkshire, England (compare with 1901 census - probably Lingdale)
John Thomas Tumer abt 1887 Skinningrove, Yorkshire, England
Margaret Jane Tumer abt 1890 Skinningrove, Yorkshire, England

Possible 1881:

Name: Mary Turner
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Turner
Gender: Female
Where born: Bishopsnympton, Devon, England

Civil parish: South Molton
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street Address: West Hill
Condition as to marriage: Married

Registration district: South Molton
Sub-registration district: South Molton
ED, institution, or vessel: 6

Piece: 2241
Folio: 87
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
William Turner 27
Mary Turner 23
Alice Turner 4
William Turner 2
Wilmet Turner (unusual name - compare to 1891 census above)

Marriage?

South Molton district Marriages Dec 1875
Surname First name(s) Vol Page
HART William 5b 811
HOLLOWAY Emily Jane 5b 811
PROUT Mary Ann 5b 811
Turner William 5b 811

Edit - but safer would be to get a birth certificate for one of Mary Ann's children, to obtain Mary Ann's maiden name.

Perhaps obtain this birth certificate?

TURNER Wilmot Ann S.Molton 5b 433

There are a couple of possible individuals born in Skelton according to the 1851 census:

William Smith abt 1845 Son of George, Margarett at Skelton, Yorkshire
William Smith abt 1848 Visitor at Loftus, Yorkshire

Getting the marriage certificate for William Smith and Mary Ann Turner might help by suggesting fathers for both lines:

Marriages Sep 1889, Guisborough district
Surname First name(s) Vol Page
Christon George 9d 698
Harris Elizabeth 9d 698
PEARSON Robert 9d 698
Smith William 9d 698
Turner Mary Ann 9d 698

Gavin

Can I just check that you are aware of the following FREE website................

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Flick'
not aware of the website, thank you. very much.

Dea,
Fantastic, definitely correct, 2 brothers did marry the smith sisters.

Christina,
You are correct, my mother apologizes, she told me Edwin was his first name.... James Edwin is correct.

Ivy,
As ever a font of information, I will try and piece that together. Thank you.

Gavin

One can buy BMD certs thru the GRO or thru the local RO.
Some local registers have online indices:

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd

Here we drill down thru:
http://www.northeastbmd.org.uk/
to:
http://www.teesvalley-indexes.co.uk/search.php


Search marriages - results for spouse of JAMES SHEPHERD
Result Year Surname Forename Initial Ref Number Click to contact
1 1913 SHEPHERD JAMES E R-X31G-1-0-19 Guisborough
2 1913 SMITH EDITH A R-X31G-1-0-19 Guisborough

1 1913 SHEPHERD JOHN R R-X31G-1-0-18 Guisborough
2 1913 SMITH SUSAN R-X31G-1-0-18 Guisborough

As you see, these local indices can resolve brothers? narrying sisters? (maybe cousins), as well as many cases pre-1912.

Ok

I now have sufficient for the Smiths line (Susan & Edith) who married in to the Shepherds..... James & John.

I now need the lines back from James Edwin Shepherd & John Robert Shepherd (mother & Father)

If these census entries for 1901 and 1891 are appropriate, then the following marriage and death certificates would assist:

1901:
Name: Margaret J Bales
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Bales
Gender: Female
Where born: Scaling, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Loftus
Ecclesiastical parish: Loftus St Leonard
Town: Loftus
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Guisborough
Sub-registration district: Loftus
ED, institution, or vessel: 3

Household schedule number: 120
Piece: 4564
Folio: 49
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
John Bales 26
Margaret J Bales 34
John R Shepherd 12
James E Shepherd 10

1891:
Name: Margaret Shepherd
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Head
Where born: Scaling, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Easington
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Easington
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Guisborough
Sub-registration district: Loftus
ED, institution, or vessel: 8

Piece: 3998
Folio: 48
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Margaret Shepherd 24 (Widow)
Lois M Shepherd 4
John R Shepherd 2
James E Shepherd 5/12

Marriages Dec 1884
HODGSON Margaret Jane Guisborough 9d 873
Shepherd James William Guisbro' 9d 873

Death:
James William Shepherd (born abt 1860) Jan-Feb-Mar 1891 Guisborough Yorkshire North Riding

There is no obvious birth registration for Margaret Jane Hodgson; there are two entries for [edit: sorry, I meant 1881 census] for Margaret Hodgson born approx 1867 in the Guisborough area; one of these has middle initial letter J, born in Roxby rather than Scaling (the two places are a couple of miles apart). They are both tiny places now, when looking at them on Google maps - very different from Sheffield!