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Not found anything concrete about which Elizabeth A Green was roped in with Violet - of course they may not have known each other apart from the court appearance.

Also, I've not found another Violet Bunting who fits the bill and, although it's conjecture, I believe this one is mine, the youngest sister of my great-grandmother.

I have no idea what went wrong with her but I think it would be sad for her father who was still alive. Her mother died about 18 months before Violet's first court appearance and I don't know whether Violet stayed with her father in the area or whether her father moved immediately to his son's house in Newcastle where he died in 1889.

What a sad time for the family. Sadder still, if Violet was never heard from again, I'm afraid.

Chris, if you come across anything else would you let me know, please? I have no newspaper access but I can easily visit the Records Office if there is anything.

Joyce

Wow - I still think she's mine! I'll see if I can find anything on Elizabeth A Green that could lead me to Violet's happenings after these dates.

We go from vicars to prostitution in this branch of my family. Reminds me of the vicars and tarts balls that take place now.

I can't wait to see my cousins' reactions.

Thank you so much. I'll post anything I come up with on Violet.

Joyce

That is complete snippet, as is below, if relating)

Chris :)

08 August 1884 - Daily Gazette for Middlesbrough - Middlesbrough,

Police Business At The Hartlepools
Violet Bunting was committed for fourteen days for being a disorderly prostitute.


31 March 1884 - Daily Gazette for Middlesbrough - Middlesbrough,

Immorality at West Hartlepool
Violet Bunting, and Elizabeth A. Green, both young girls, were each committed to fourteen days for soliciting prostitution.

Chris,

This was swift retribution (by magistrates I expect). Is this the whole transcript of the piece in the Mail? If it's not, I'll search the back copies of the Hartlepool Mail.

... another wild girl in the family (but so far the only one imprisoned, thank goodness)!

Joy

I've checked and as I can't find another Violet Bunting in the Hartlepool area at that time I think she's mine.

Wonder what she did precisely and did she change her name upon release as there's no sign of Violet Bunting anywhere after that?

I've checked whether she adopted her late sister's name (Jane Elizabeth) but no joy. Her mum had died in 1882 and was it possible that her dad had already moved to his son's home in Newcastle where he died in 1889? (If she was a bit wild one I wouldn't be surprised.)

A mystery that we're unlikely to solve.

Oooh! Naughty girl. I'll check on this and let you know if she's my Violet.

Violet only appears as Bunting in the censuses for 1871 and 1881 - I can't find her after that.

Thanks Chris.

14 December 1885 (Monday) - Hartlepool Mail - Hartlepool, Durham, England

Violet Bunting was to-day sentenced at West Hartlepool Police-court to a month’s imprisonment for disorderly conduct on Sunday night.

Chris :)

(no idea on above!)

Aileen birth from Scotland people

1 1884 MURRAY AILEEN F DINGWALL /ROSS AND CROMARTY 062/00 0063

Don't have enough credits to view the record.

Andy

Update: still got nowhere with the whereabouts of Violet Bunting (born 1 June 1864 - I bought her BC).

I've done an extensive search using Violet as the Christian name and using a couple of birth years surrounding 1864. After checking dates and marriages of them all, I'm left with one Violet with the surname Murray (born 1864 - it says in Durham, Newcastle). She is living at Brighton in 1901 with husband Alfred Murray and three children - Aileen (says b Dingwall, Scotland c1885 - but not found that birth (her married name Segre); Alfred b c1888 and Violet b c1894. Alfred the usband was born in Seaton, Devon.

However, I've not found a marriage for an Alfred Murray to a Violet so I'm still stuck.

It is very 'long-winded' to search on there but there are many 'gems' to be found !

Dea Xxx

Thanks, Dea.

I'll take a look at the site.

Joyce
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You might like to have a look at this site:

http://digitalnewspapers.org/

It covers several Utah Newspapers including Salt Lake City and lots of Morman news !

All on line - free site.

Dea x

Well, back to the Bunting family as I want to try to 'put them to bed'.

I've tried several times over the past few months - trying Violet/Viletta/Violetta with Bunting/Bunton/Bounton and have still got no joy.

Is there any new member who is connected to this Violet/Violetta born 1864 at Newfield, Co Durham. I have a copy of her birth certificate now and her parents are, indeed, Robert and Jane.

Still looking - with hope and determination

Well, thank you everyone. Now I know the family tale about Jane Bunting is only partly true. Funnily enough, I spoke to a distant relative this week who told me that he had heard only recently (I think from a Kent relative) that Jane took the children to the US after her husband had died - so even that tale was not the whole truth either.

Still no sign of Violet Bunting born 01.07.1864 so the search goes on as her last appearance that I can find is in the 1881 Census living with her parents, Robert and Jane Bunting in County Durham. No death and no marriage so I'll keep searching.

In the meantime, it's great to have the true story about Jane and family.

Mary....you are on the ball :-D

Edward J Smith

Born on January 27, 1850, in Hanley, Staffordshire, England, Captain Edward J. Smith, captain of the luxury vessel Titanic,

Smith married Eleanor Pennington. The couple welcomed their only child, Helen, in 1902.

Eight years later, Smith took his first command of a passenger ship, the Baltic. He went on to serve as the captain of several other vessels in the White Star Line. From 1895 to 1904, Smith commanded the Majestic. He also served in the British Royal Navy during the Boer War in South Africa

A new Baltic was added to the White Star Line fleet in 1904 with Smith as its captain. At 23,000 tons, the Baltic was one of the largest vessels at the time.

Have you noticed the Captain on Eva's ship .
Edward J Smith.
Captain of Titanic Edward John Smith!!!!!!!!!!

Maryb.

Eva arriving stateside:

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Eva Gronom Jordan (middle name is Crozier)
Arrival Date: 25 Mar 1905
Birth Year: abt 1892
Age: 13
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Baltic

Travelling with her sister Margaret Green and her family.

So Eva left before her father died.

It's nice to see that Jane hadn't upped and offed and left them behind.

Canada, Soldiers of the First World War, 1914-1918 about George Crozier Jordan
Name: George Crozier Jordan
Residence: Salt Lake City, Utah, United States of America
Birth Date: 12 Oct 1885
Birth Location: Brandon, Durham, England
Relative: Mrs Mary Jordan
Relationship: Wife
Regiment Number: 2140709





Utah, Naturalization and Citizenship Records, 1858-1959 about George Crozier Jordan
Name: George Crozier Jordan
Age: 32
Birth Date: 12 Oct 1884
Birth Place: Brandon, Colliery, Durham, Eng
Residence : Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah
Event Date: 1 Jun 1917
County: Salt Lake

Looks as if Eva went to USA before her mother:-

Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Name: Miss Eva C JORDAN
Date of departure: 15 March 1905
Port of departure: Liverpool
Destination port: New York
Destination country: USA
Date of Birth: 1892 (calculated from age)
Age: 13
Marital Status: Single
Sex: Female
Occupation: Servant
Notes:
Passenger recorded on: Page 34 of 43
Ship: BALTIC
Official Number:
Master's name: Edward J Smith
Steamship Line:
Where bound: New York, USA
Square feet: 43682
Registered tonnage: 23876
Passengers on voyage: 2081

Would appear that a few more of the family went to America....................................


Utah, Naturalization and Citizenship Records, 1858-1959 about Stephen Crozier Jordan
Name: Stephen Crozier Jordan
Age: 29
Birth Date: 28 Feb 1889
Birth Place: Spennymoor, Durham, England
Residence : Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah
Event Date: 29 May 1918
County: Salt Lake