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Is it possible that they did not marry ......... but said they were married when the baby was registered?


You do not have to show any proof of being married ...... the mother's word is taken for it.


It is only if a man not married to the mother what the man has to either appear in person in the Registrar's office OR submit a letter accepting parentage.

So that marriage in 1940 cannot be for Joanna's Horace then if they were still married in the 1950s

The address in 1946 is his address on discharge papers...very confusing I must say.

So if Horace born 1896 married Helen in 1940? was she a widow or divorcee?

Still not quite understanding whether we are looking at two different men or the one who joined the Canadian army, was married to Helen but had a fling with Stella?

No spouse listed on Electoral Registers with the Horace S. Stone in Hackney.

London Electoral Registers give the following:

1946
Horace S. and Helen Stone 103 Ponsonby Buildings, Treveris Street, Southwark
1948
Horace S. and Helen Stone 73 Maxted Road, Camberwell
1949
Horace S. and Helen Stne 60 Maxted Road, Camberwell
1950
Horace S. and Helen Stone 60 Maxted Road, Camberwell
1951
Horace S. and Helen Stone 60 Maxted Road, Camberwell
1952 - 1959
Horace S. and Helen M. Stone 60 Maxted Road, Camberwell

Then there is this Horace who was more near Stella's age

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Horace Stanley Stone Name: Horace Stanley Stone
Birth Date: 7 Jul 1917
Date of Registration: Jan 2000
Age at Death: 82
Registration district: Hackney
Inferred County: London
Register Number: A41F
District and Subdistrict: 2301A
Entry number: 288


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Births Sep 1917 (>99%)
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Stone Horace S Huggett Shoreditch 1c 95

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Maybe as I said she married in the name of Helen for some reason?

Do you know why she moved to London?

If Stella married again in 1945 did she divorce while her husband was at war?

Could it be a possibilty that the siter Margaret DID marry Horace and my nan Stella had some kind of affair with him??

But that would not mae sense surely as on my uncles birth cert mothers name is Stella Stone??

Surely she must have married him??

Any reason on why someone would use a different name to get married (especially her sisters) xx

It seems that Stella had a sister called Margaret E if the E stood for Ellen that can also be used as Helen.

If Stella married Horace in 1940 she may have used the name Helen instead for some reason, I dont know the answer or the reason but maybe you should purchase that marriage cert to see who the father was and her age given.

Horace was twice her age but she was also over 21 so she did not need permission to marry....but there is no marriage for a Stella to a Stone.

When Stella married Harry Burt she gave the middle intial as L...where did that come from?

Jax, thank you for your help in this

Clearly i am not no where near as experienced as yourself

Could you please explain what you mean by your previous post

My uncle always said he felt that something was being kept from him regarding his father - some kind of family secret???

I have edited my post above but could Stella's sister have married Horace? but it is getting confusing :-)

Or just used her sisters name ??

Hi jax

Yes, he was 44ish when he joined.

There must be a spelling mistake somewhere as i have have Stella's mothers death cert and that says Kate Lally.

My uncle David did live with his mother which i know one of the addresses was 29 Bensham Manor Road, Thornton Heath

Not sure where the name Rowe would have come from - not one i have heard. I know that Stella did marry Harry Burt on the 11/08/1945 as this was my fathers dad, just dont know if Stella married Horace xxx

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005
about Margaret E Lalley
Mother's Maiden Surname: Pettitt
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1917
Registration district: Weardale
Inferred County: Durham
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 477 (click to see others on page)

Name: Margaret E Lally
Mother's Maiden Surname: Pettitt
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1917
Registration district: Weardale
Inferred County: Durham
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 477 (click to see others on page)


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Sister of Stella and could also be Ellen Margaret and the Helen who married in 1940?

Name: Stella Burt
Birth Date: 25 May 1918
Date of Registration: Sep 1986
Age at Death: 68
Registration district: Sutton
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 15
Page: 202

Your uncles birth reg gives his mothers maiden name as Lalley not Lally...also born in the south of England

Does the enlistment papers say he was 44ish when he joined up?

Births Jun 1918 (>99%)
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Lally Stella Pettit Weardale 10a 524

Hi Joanna,

Quick question:

Who did your uncle know as his mother? Presumably he would live with his mother whilst his father was away in Canada????

Did your uncle know his father?

I'm having difficulty finding a birth for Stella Lally. Found it now, also found one marriage, as follows:

Name: Stella M Lally
Spouse Surname: Rowe
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1948
Registration district: Northumberland South
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 1069
Find Spouse: Robert A Rowe


Lynne

Thank you so much for your replies xxx

No, i dont have his death cert, all we know was that he was not killed during the war as he was discharged back to England on the 07/09/1945 back to his home of 103 Ponsonby Buildings, Treveris Street, Blackfriers, London which was the address he was living at when registered for the army (also the address of his wife Ellen)

Desperate to know if he married Stella??

If he was in the forces he may not be on a passenger list

Hi Gins,

I did see that one for Horace travelling to Canada, unable to see anything for him returning to the UK !!!

Lynne