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Jacob Goldstein

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Joyce

Joyce Report 13 Feb 2014 19:36

My name before marriage was Meadows and I am the great niece of Ellen Goodwin, Aunt Nell. She was my grandfather William's sister. She wasn't Jewish but converted to marry Jack the love of her life. They had no children and after his death she lived in Shoreditch with her younger sister Maud. She died of cancer in the 1950s. I hope this fills in some of the gaps.

Ruth

Ruth Report 15 Jan 2013 11:23

This is what I got from my auntie....
Re our maternal grandparents, I now remember that our grandpa's name was Joe, and his brother, the famous boxing trainer was Jack. Our grandmother's name was Anne and she was Irish. That's all I know about her. The Goldstein brothers (later "Goodwin") were born in Russia and brought to England as children.

I would think grandpa was born around 1880 so he probably won the Lonsdale Belt in his 20's, which would be 1900 to 1910. That might help in your search. I'll search out some photos, make copies and send

Apparently when Jack Goodwin died there was a big ceremonial funeral in the east end of London.

Re our paternal grandparents, our dad's father died before I was born and I don't know too much about Nanny Lulu as we called her. She died in her sixties. They had five children. Florrie, the youngest died of TB at 21. Then there was our dad, William, and then Bert, Sydney, Arthur and Nellie, who died of cancer in her fifties.

Interested in anything you guys have

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 30 Jun 2012 15:40

Hello Mark, seeing as a month has gone by Donna mightn't be looking back on here. Why not click on her name and send her a direct message telling her you've posted some info for her?

It would be such a shame if she missed seeing it.

Mark

Mark Report 30 Jun 2012 15:34

Hi all - This is Jack Goodwin in his own words. Enjoy.

The first open boxing competition I entered was fought before the most remarkable audience I ever had – a mixed one of human beings and wild animals! Wonderland was run by Captain Roland as a menagerie, with Mr Wood as manager. The latter thought it a good idea to hold boxing contests there on Saturday afternoons, and for a start he advertised a competition at 8st. 6lbs., the winner to get a two-guinea gold medal. The whole affair was to be completed in one afternoon.

I swaggered into the dressing-room with two of my pals, whom I had brought in free. When all the competitors were stripped I looked them over. I was the smallest and youngest among them, but there was only one I didn't like the look of, and I thought to myself: I hope to goodness I don't have to meet him!" Our names were all put into a hat, and sure enough mine came out first with the repulsive-looking bruiser I had secretly feared!

We were conducted to the ring. I was the first of two boxers to put gloves on at Wonderland, which for years afterwards was the second most famous boxing-hall in England. As I looked round, lions and tigers roared at me. The cages were ranged around the circular hall, with the public and, thank goodness, iron bars, between them and the fighters.

In the few brief seconds while we were being introduced I took further stock of my opponent and thought he looked rather slow. So when the gong went I jumped up from my chair, punched him twice and he went down for the full count.

Three more opponents I knocked out in a round apiece, and then came the final. I began to think I was a regular gladiator, especially as a huge man with a commanding presence and a fur coat thrust three coins into my hand. I rushed into the dressing-room, certain he had given me three half-crowns, and afraid to let anyone else guess what I had been given, but when I saw it was only pennies I began to think fur coats were not always a mark of greatness.

My opponent in the final only lasted half a round. As soon as he was counted out, Mr. Wood made a speech and presented me with the medal.
“Would you mind giving me the money instead?" I asked. “No, my boy, this is honour for you. Have it pinned on your waistcoat for the girls to admire," he replied. “First of all I want a waistcoat," I parried impudently. “It's worth two guineas," he went on.

“Well, give me thirty shillings for it," I offered, fighting to the last.
But old Wood absolutely refused, so I took the medal and rushed out of Wonderland to a pawnbroker's on the opposite side of the road. I asked for £2 on the medal, but the most I could squeeze out of the man behind the counter was 15s.

With the money and the pawn-ticket in my pocket, I went back to Mr. Wood and said: “I thought you said that medal was worth two guineas? The pawnbroker wouldn't give me more than I5s. Give me 5s for the ticket."
The manager stood his ground, but an outsider who heard the conversation gave me half-a-crown for the ticket “as a speculation," and I never saw the medal again.

Thus I became a professional.


Mark

Mark Report 25 Jun 2012 10:54

Hi all. Jack Goodwin was the brother of my great grandmother Annie Goldstein. I have photos and other memorabilia relating to Jack and a few photos and a small amount of info relating to his family. His parents were Davis and Miriam Goldstein, who came over to England from Poland around 1884. They lived in Booth Street, which is now Hanbury Street. Jack was a street fighter who became a top boxer. That ended though when he contracted TB and spent a year in hospital. When he recovered, he became a trainer, running the career of his little brother Joe Goodwin. Jack went on to become one of the very top trainers in world boxing. He wrote two books, one of which is a lovely book on his boxing exploits entitled "Myself and My Boxers" (1924). It was approx £100 on Amazon last time I looked, although I managed to get a copy from the USA for 70 dollars. Best wishes to you all.

Mark Daydy

Susan

Susan Report 23 May 2012 03:42

Donna

Eva Landsman in nthe marriage I posted was married to Benjanmin Rubinstein, no relation to Jacob.
Will have a look in the military for Jacob.

Sue

Donna

Donna Report 22 May 2012 19:12

Thank you anyway :-)

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 21 May 2012 14:54

Fortunately his name is given on the probate records of his will.

says:
Goldstein Jacob or Jack Goodwin of 22 Cleeve Buildings Shoreditch died 3rd March 1932 at The Royal Albert Hall.Kensington ,Middlesex .admin 14th July to Ellen Goldstein widow effects £851.5s.9d


Edit .whoops Sue has posted this but will leave as it follows sequence

Donna

Donna Report 21 May 2012 14:04

Just a quick question -----

The DOBs are different between the 1891 and 1901 is this a regular discrepancy?

In reply to Shirley. I phoned the Jewish cemetery in East Ham where he was buried and the only one it could be was Jacob. We knew him as Jack Goodwin but knew their name was Goldstein just didnt know his first name!

Donna

Donna Report 21 May 2012 13:47

GOODNESS ME!!!!

Thank you all so much!! I can gain from this that he married ELLEN MEADOWS which is new info. I did know they had no children.

I had seen the info from google about his death etc. I would think that he would have traveled around and also served in the First War as his sister Rebecca (my G Gran) met her husband Albert through him, they were in the same regt apparently.

There were so many immigrants with the same names etc in the same area that is why i was getting confused. I didnt know about Eva so thats very interesting. I will now try and find out about his siblings.

Thank you to all of you!!!

Donna

Susan

Susan Report 20 May 2012 13:18

one of the boxers he trained,all on Google.

Charlie Hardcastle - a forgotten champion
Posted by Miles Templeton
Before the Second World War being a British Boxing Champion provided no guarantee of great wealth. Many champions boxed professionally whilst holding down a full time job. Many of these jobs were arduous. A fine example of this is Charlie Hardcastle of Barnsley. His trainer, Jack Goodwin, wrote that after winning the British Featherweight Title on a Monday evening in 1917 “Hardcastle went back to Barnsley and on the Wednesday the new featherweight champion was at work in the pit once more”. There was, of course, a war on and Charlie was in a reserved occupation which meant that, although he was spared from the trenches, he had to contribute to the war effort nonetheless.

Flip

Flip Report 20 May 2012 13:05

Larry Gains was Canadian - wonder if Jack/Jacob travelled outside Uk which his fighters - the trainer would normally be at their fights??

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 20 May 2012 13:01

Ellen is with her parents

1911 census transcription details for: 14 Dunloe St Haggerston N E
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National Archive Reference:
RG14PN1372 RG78PN48 RD16 SD3 ED9 SN386
Reg. District: Shoreditch
Sub District: Shoreditch North East
Parish: Shoreditch
Enum. District: 9
Address: 14 Dunloe St Haggerston N E
County: London
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
MEADOWS, John Head Married
34 years M 56 1855 Cabinet Maker London Spitalfields
MEADOWS, Sarah Wife Married
34 years F 52 1859 London Spitalfields

GOLDSTEIN, Ellen Daughter Married
6 years F 30 1881 London Bethnal Green>>>>>>
no children born

MEADOWS, William Son Single M 21 1890 Cabinet Maker London Bethnal Green
MEADOWS, Edith Daughter Single F 19 1892 London Bethnal Green
MEADOWS, Maud Daughter Single F 16 1895 Box Maker Cardboard London Bethnal Green
MEADOWS, Harry Son Single M 10 1901 London Bethnal Green

Susan

Susan Report 20 May 2012 12:57

Possibel deaths for Ellen.


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Deaths Jun 1935 (>99%)
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Goldstein Ellen 69 Gateshead 10a 950

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Deaths Sep 1951 (>99%)
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GOLDSTEIN Ellen G 64 Blackburn 10b 282

Susan

Susan Report 20 May 2012 12:54

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

Possibel marriage

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Marriages Dec 1904 (>99%)
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Goldstein Jacob Mile End 1c 793
Landsman Eva Mile End 1c 793
Meadows Ellen Mile End 1c 793
RUBENSTEIN Benjamin Mile End 1c 793


MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 20 May 2012 12:53

The widow (from the probate records on Ancestry appears to be Ellen).

Maybe:

Marriages Dec 1904
Goldstein Jacob Mile End 1c 793
Meadows Ellen Mile End 1c 793

Not seeing them in 1911!!

Maureen

Edit: So sorry,Sue! Didn't refresh.
:-(

Susan

Susan Report 20 May 2012 12:47

Found this record.

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1861-1941
about Jack Goodwin Name: Jack Goodwin
Probate Date: 14 Jul 1932
Death Date: 3 Mar 1932
Death Place: Middlesex, England
Registry: London


Reads
Goldstein Jacob or Goodwin Jack of 22 cleeve building Shorditch Middelsex,died 3rd March 1932,royal Albert Hall Kensington Middelsex.
Admin London 14th July to Ellen Goldstein Widow 851pounds 5 shilling and 9 pence.

So his wife was Ellen.

Sue

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 20 May 2012 12:33

I,m sure you have Googled !!!!!



MARCH 8, 1932
Funeral of Jack Goodwin Famous Boxing Trainer

London, Mar. 7 (JTA) –
Extraordinary scenes marked the funeral at the Jews' Cemetery in East Ham this afternoon of Jack Goodwin, the boxing trainer, who died at the Albert Hall last week when Larry Gains, whom he had trained, won against McCorquodale.
The East End paid an emotional tribute. Outside the house in Shoreditch mounted police had to force back crowds of weeping men and women, who surged round the hearse as the coffin was brought out. Then foot policemen bent double in their efforts to keep a cordon, as the crowd tried again to get close to the hearse and the mourners' cars. Traffic was held up for some time at the beginning of the procession through Commercial street, Commercial road and Sydney street.
Boxers Goodwin had trained from boyhood accompanied the cortege.
There was great excitement when a big blue car drove up, and Larry Gains, at whose fight Goodwin died, alighted.
There were scores of wreaths. Lord Lonsdale sent one in the form of a boxing ring in beautiful chrysanthemums.
Among those who followed Jack Goodwin to the graveside were Phil Scott, Sam Russell, Jack Bloomfield, Fred Dyer, and Joe Fox (the ex-champion who came specially from Birmingham).
More than 300 telegrams came to the Goodwin home this morning.
When the coffin was borne into the cemetery, it was in the presence of a gathering which included practically every well-known figure in the boxing world of London.


so when did he change his name??

Jack Goodwin, known as a trainer'
of boxing champions, who trained
nearly every British champion forFix this text
the past 20 years,- collapsed and
died from excitement during a fight


this would mean he started training in c 1912 ??


how do you know this is Jacob ??

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 20 May 2012 12:23

I think we need the OP to tell us who Jacob married.
This would seem to be the match for Kath's 1911:
Marriages Jun 1900
Goldstien Jacob Mile End 1c 783
Malina Mary Mile End 1c 783

Maureen

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 20 May 2012 10:58

Another possibility for the 1911 census (as the one above given by Susan says married 12 years but I think the Jacob we are looking for was single in 1901):-

1911 census transcription details for: 3 Paultons Street Chelsea

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN412 RG78PN13 RD4 SD2 ED15 SN408
Reg. District: Chelsea
Sub District: Chelsea South
Parish: Chelsea
Enum. District: 15

Address: 3 Paultons Street Chelsea
County: London

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

GOLDSTEIN, Jacob Head Married M 35 1876 Tailor Poland
GOLDSTEIN, Mary Wife Married F 35 1876 0
GOLDSTEIN, Becky Daguhter F 7 1904 London
GOLDSTEIN, Rose Dagth F 5 1906 London
GOLDSTEIN, Ivy Son M 3 1908 London
GOLDSTEIN, Chiley Son M 0 (9 MONTHS) 1911 London
COHEN, Leah Visitor Maried F 27 1884 Poland
POLOCK, Bannett Lodger Marrid M 27 1884 Tailor Rusia
POLOCK, Flat Lodger Married
2 years F 21 1890 London
POLOCK, Abraham Lodger M 12 1899 London
MELINAN, Yetts Mother Married
40 years F 53 1858 Polland

Perhaps the daughter Becky was named after Jacob's sister Rebecca??

Kath. x