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26 Jul 2012 01:50 |
I have found in the 1911 index the VANNER family living in High St Oakfield Ryde Isle of Wight, Francis b 1853, Edmond b1885, Elsie b 1890 & Percy b 1893 all born Ryde Isle of Wight Hants
I think the father William VANNER b 1849 age 62 Isle of Wight Hampshire was in the Work house Newport ??? Thank you Ann E
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26 Jul 2012 02:04 |
The William on the 1911 census was single...
Name: William Vanier Age in 1911: 62 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849 Relation to Head: Inmate Gender: Male Birth Place: Ryde, Isle of Wight, England Civil parish: Carisbrooke County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Marital Status: Single Occupation: Bricklayer Lab Registration district: Isle of Wight Registration District Number: 93 Sub-registration district: Newport ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Piece: 5714
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26 Jul 2012 02:09 |
His death?
England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006 about William G Vanner Name: William G Vanner Birth Date: abt 1848 Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1923 Age at Death: 75 Registration district: Isle of Wight Inferred County: Hampshire Volume: 2b Page: 735
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26 Jul 2012 02:48 |
Their marriage?
Year Groom Surname Forename(s) Bride Surname Forename(s) Place Register held Ref 1881 VANNER William George CHESSELL Frances Annie All Saints, Ryde With Registrar COE35.1/142
From this site:
http://www.isle-of-wight-fhs.co.uk/bmd/startbmd.htm
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26 Jul 2012 02:52 |
Children from same site:
Year Surname Forenames Other surnames Sub-District Ref 1882 VANNER Edmund Llewellyn CHESSELL Ryde R51/E254 1885 VANNER Louis William Henry CHESSELL Ryde R55/E259 1886 VANNER George Harpwood CHESSELL Ryde R56/E435 1889 VANNER Elsie Frances Rosina CHESSELL Ryde R60/E224 1892 VANNER Percy William Gordon CHESSELL Ryde R64/E98
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26 Jul 2012 05:06 |
This is the 1911 Census for the Vanner family that you spotted in the 1911 Index
1911 Census
Name: Francis Vanner Age in 1911: 58 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Female Birth Place: Oakfield Civil parish: St Helens County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street Address: 1 Woodvale Cott, High St, Oakfield, Ryde Marital Status: Married Registration district: Isle of Wight Registration District Number: 93 Sub-registration district: Ryde ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Household schedule number: 283 Piece: 5727
Francis Vanner 58 Edmund Vanner 26 b.ca 1885, Oakfield, Son, Single, Contractors Labourer Elsie Vanner 21 b.ca 1890, Oakfield, Daughter, Single, Domestic Servant Percy Vanner 18 b.ca 1893, Oakfield, Son, Single, Grocers Assistant Mary Osmond 5 b.ca 1906, Ryde, Nurse Child
From the image ...............
Francis (or whoever filled out the form) first put Wife for her Relationship to Head of Family, then that was crossed out and replaced with Head
6 Children born, 5 still living
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26 Jul 2012 05:14 |
That could indeed be William in the Workhouse ....................... William in 1891 was a Bricklayer's Labourer, so the occupations match, as well as age and birth year.
The disability column is still whited out on ancestry ....... so there is no knowing what he was suffering from. But he is shown as Inmate, not Patient as are some others.
This, I think, is an indication that he was not in the hospital section of the Work House.
Ancestry does have him on the Record Sheet as Vanier ........... but it is indeed Vanner on the census image.
It would probably be worth your buying that death certificate to see who recorded hi death.
It may be that the marriage broke down, and he left Frances, ending up in the Work House while plying his trade.
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26 Jul 2012 05:54 |
There is nothing in the end column on FMP and it is transcribed as Vanner
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Ann
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27 Jul 2012 01:19 |
Thank you very much LindaB, Jax, Margee & sylvia that is all very helpful.
That is very odd about William G Vanner , I had thought he may have in the Workhouse as a Patient ,but you say he was not, may be he got drunk once to often & she kicked him out ;-) could they could have made a mistake in saying he was single?
William George VANNER died in1932 & is buried St John's Church Ryde his address was given as Woodvale Cottage, High St, Oakfield, so he must have come out of the workhouse his wife died1923 her burial Address is 15 High St, Oakfield Ryde.
Frances had a daughter before she married William, I found only one marriage for lily CHESSELL to Albert Edward Hodges, I found him in the 1911 census index, please can someone look him up. Again thanks to all. Ann
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27 Jul 2012 01:32 |
It is possible they got the single part wrong...but that maybe what he told them
Have you got your death dates mixed up?
England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006 about Frances A Vanner Name: Frances A Vanner Birth Date: abt 1853 Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1933 Age at Death: 80 Registration district: Isle of Wight Inferred County: Hampshire Volume: 2b Page: 1168
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27 Jul 2012 01:39 |
1911 England Census about Lily Hodges Name: Lily Hodges Age in 1911: 27 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Birth Place: Northwood, Isle of Wight, United Kingdom Civil parish: Northwood County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street Address: Pallance Lane, Northwood Near West Cowes, I Of W Marital Status: Married Years Married: 5 Estimated Marriage Year: 1906 Registration district: Isle of Wight Registration District Number: 93 Sub-registration district: Cowes ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Household schedule number: 157 Piece: 5681 Household Members: Name Age Albert Hodges 30 Lily Hodges 27
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27 Jul 2012 01:42 |
I dont think she is your Lily
1891 England Census about Lily Chessell Name: Lily Chessell Age: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: John David Chessell Mother's Name: Victoria Chessell Gender: Female Where born: Isle of Wight, Pallance Civil parish: Northwood Ecclesiastical parish: St John County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street Address:
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Isle Of Wight Sub-registration district: Cowes ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 885 Folio: 24 Page Number: 9 Household Members: Name Age John David Chessell 33 Victoria Chessell 28 Albert Chessell 1 Lily Chessell 7 May Chessell 4 Jane Ann Chessell 57 Alice M Calloway 12 Ann Calloway 10
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27 Jul 2012 01:57 |
Oh blow !, thank you for looking Jax , I have her in the 1881 census with mum & 1891 with mum & William G Vanner as Lilly D [Daisy] Vanner I haven’t found her after that in any combination of names or spelling apart from that marriage!! Thanks, Yes, Frances died in1933, Ann
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2 Aug 2012 12:00 |
After searching all the indexes I have found " George Harpwood VANNER 1886 700620 Ryde Isle of Wight, in Merchant Navy Seamen 1835-1941 FMP." please can someone look to see if there is any more info, he must have been at sea in the 1911 census. Ann
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2 Aug 2012 12:35 |
Merchant Navy Seamen 1835-1941 Last name:VANNER First names:George Harpwood Age: Day of birth:2 Month of birth:September Year of birth:1886 Place of birth:Ryde County/country of birth:Isle of Wight Card type:CR10 Discharge number:700620 Identity certificate no.:844676 Series:BT350 Date range:1918-1921 Piece number:
Merchant Navy Seamen 1835-1941
Last name:VANNER First names:George Harpwood Age: Day of birth: Month of birth: Year of birth:1886 Place of birth:Ryde County/country of birth:Isle of Wight Card type:CR1 Discharge number:700620 Identity certificate no.: Series:BT349 Date range:1921-1941 Piece number:
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2 Aug 2012 12:39 |
will pm you the images
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Ann
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2 Aug 2012 14:05 |
Thank you very much Ian. George Harpwood died on Feb 2nd 1929 aged 42 he is interred in Brooklands Manchester & is commemorated on his mother & father in-law gave, that is a long way from his home on I.O.W, I wonder what he was doing you there? Please can someone look for his wife to be “Vera Young age 18 Ryde I Of W, Hampshire “possible living with her mother Blanche L & step father Tom Roland Gawn. Thank you Ann
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2 Aug 2012 14:21 |
You're welcome Ann
here's the 1911 census for Vera Address: 9 Ribolean Street Ryde
GAWN, Tom Head Married M 37 1874 Coachman Cab Driver Ryde I of W GAWN, Blanche Wife Married6 years F 37 1874 Laundress Ryde I of W YOUNG, Vera Stepdaughter Single F 18 1893 Housemaid Domestic Ryde I of W
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2 Aug 2012 14:27 |
do you have his probate details?
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about George Harpwood Vanner Name: George Harpwood Vanner Probate Date: 18 Feb 1929 Death Date: 2 Feb 1929 Death Place: Cheshire, England Registry: Manchester, England Vanner George Harpwood of Holly Grove Northenden Road Sale Cheshire died 2 February 1929 Administration Manchester 18 February to Vera Gwendoline Vanner widow Effects £316 3s 7d
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Ann
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2 Aug 2012 14:33 |
Thank you very much Ian that is very helpful. Ann
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