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that james would have been 65 at the time of death this james was only 43 there is quite a number of years diferance i have 3 more childrens certs to come on monday see what names are on there

the James who married Janet Isabel Taylor was still living in Enfield in the 1930's
he had'nt moved any where at all.

Patricia sorry to bother you again but we would like to know the _Job _that Mr Culliford was doing on the child cert . born 1926 please

There was a Charles Culliford born 1892 Islington but he died the same year.


Mavis

Two things from the Hull Daily Mail:

"..........an inspector from the N.S.P.C.C had told him (Police Sergeant Bruton) that the children were in splendid condition........" as summarised previously - Would the N.S.P.C.C have / release any records, or is it too soon/ protected?

Other evidence from the police was that Taylor had worked for Marshal Hall - did this info also come from N.S.P.C.C?

Also what happens to police notebooks?

For info

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/archon/searches/locresult_details.asp?LR=2221

also from that page:

"The NSPCC's archive has had to go into off-site storage, so the NSPCC is not able to offer any research facilities. However, you are welcome to contact Nicholas Malton, Records Manager for advice on where else you might find primary sources about the NSPCC."

If James Charles Culliford was born 1884 then wouldn't he have been 50 in 1934.

Someone on here with Hilda(Gertrude) Badger,James Culliford and Kenneth Culliford 1912 lambeth in their tree.
Her name is Marie,the only thing different is she has james down as 1880 instead of 1884.
Maybe you could make contact to she if she has any knowledge of what happened to James C Culliford.

Maryb

thats the other James Charles Culliford [1879] been matched to the wrong person
Hilda married the other one 1884

on the age difference -- how many people have you found with the age about 5y out whilst doing your own trees -- I know I have -- usually the ladies

Mavis

a bit more info
in the poll book from worksop libuary he lived there on his own in 1927 as james culliford have just e mailed doncaster now to find when they lived there from

That name matches better with James Charles Culliford on the birth cert.

dont forget the surname can be spelt differently I have found it as Culleford and Cullingford.

wish there was a better way to confirm age and when he may have been connected to Edward Marshall-Hall ??

Mavis

Had a reply from doncaster and they quantined my message said it was afencive proberbly cos i tried to explain a bit more will try ringing them .I did email someome who had edward in there tree but didnt know who worked for him so drawn a blank there but something will crop up again as it has took 7 yrs to get this far .


pat

I do recall in one of the newspaper articles that described James/Charles depression due to his reduced circumstances it mentioned that he'd had some very good furniture which he'd gradually had to sell off to make ends meet.

Now, I don't know who provided that information at the inquest but for someone to have that level of detail then they must have known him quite well. I'm guessing it may have been a neighbour. Whilst I'm normally quite sceptical about what is read in newspapers I do think that these articles are probably as factual as they can be. There was also detail about pains that he had been having in his head before his wife died - so someone knew him quite well.

Worth bearing in mind that there are unskilled pit jobs - quite feasible that someone desperate to feed a family would take that work.

Maybe clutching at straws here but thought I may aswell post.
1911 census James Charles Culliford married 2 years to Gertrude Hilda Badger
He is in Newport Monmouthshire underground worker in colliery.
It says where how many children born to marriage that they had 1 still born.

?? GORDON C G Culliford born @ 1909 died 1909 in Newport Monmouthshire.
Could his last born have been named after him??

Maryb.

That was the same name as the last born to Fanny and Charles

coincidence or memory's, sad that he also died.

I have asked the Marie about Kenneth Culliford -- hope I get an answer !!

Mavis

Had an answer from Maria

Hilda's husband JCC did leave her -- not sure when -- going to ask father as he lived with his Aunt Hilda 1940 - 1950's

we might find out if he worked for Sir Edward Marshall-Hall -- I did ask

Mavis

It is said that Hilda G Culliford could have tried to find her husband -- is this why a change of name

They moved to Kent for the coal mining there.

I wonder if the news papers in there reports may have picked up on the wrong James Culliford / Taylor -- a Charles Taylor may have worked for Sir Edward Marshall-Hall ????

Marie and Mark are going to see if an Aunt 90y old may remember anything

Mavis

hiya
should have got the last birth certs today but they havnt arrived
even joyce was not born at the address where they died she was born in another part of doncaster she was born joyce ,s name was
joyce amber culliford april 1929 at 53 markham road edlington father james charles culliford so up to now the all have the same fathers name

Well that may be significant proof that he is the James Charles Culliford born 1884
even though his age is a bit out on death - but that may well have been guessed at a bit. -- James Charles Culliford would have been 50y in 1934

Mavis

hope it is then i can close that part of my treesounds a bit more promising is that the one who had kenneth

Have you got your certs you ordered yet Patricia

got the other certs today as follows
gordon eric 29th nov 1933 father charles trevor taylor
bernard kieth culliford 25th july 1932 father charles culliford taylor
they were definatley hiding something have you heard anything from maria or mark

no nothing as of yet -- still think that James Charles Culliford born 1884 is the right man

Mavis

is this maria or mark on ancestry i think it could well be possible now i asked some one else on here but wouldnt give me anything he just said that hilda was married to a man of that name and had 1 son and he didnt have anything on about him only his name