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Hi l am trying to find my great great grandfather Joseph Ryles he was a boot maker in Blackpool he had a daughter called Elizabeth she married Alexander Dewar they had 12 children and lived in Barrow-in-furness Janet

You didn't give any dates which is rather important. Here's the marriage to give us an idea of dates:


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Marriages Sep 1886 (>99%)
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DEWAR Alexander Barrow F 8e 1105
RYLES Elizabeth Barrow F. 8e 1105

According to the 1911 census Alexander & Elizabeth had only had 8 children, 7 still living and she was 47 at the time. Did she have 4 more children at that age?

1911 census says she was born in Bury Lancashire c1864

Not seeing that birth on freebmd

There's this one in 1871 with father Joseph ( but he's fireman ) , and daughter not born Bury so not sure it's the same one who married Alexander Dewar


Joseph Ryles 50
Alice Ryles 48
Eprriane Ryles 15
William Ryles 8
Elizabeth Ryles 6


Have you got Elizabeth's marriage cert?

Hi Janet

Dates of exactly when and where Joseph and Daughter Elizabeth was born would be a great help to us.

Janet.

In what sense are you 'trying to find' this man?

1891 England Census about Elizabeth Dewar
Name: Elizabeth Dewar
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Alexander Dewar
Gender: Female
Where born: Bury, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Barrow in Furness
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Barrow
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Barrow In Furness
Sub-registration district: Barrow in Furness
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3486
Folio: 89
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander Dewar 30
Elizabeth Dewar 50
Maud Dewar 6
Duncan Dewar 4
Grace Dewar 2
David Dewar 2/12

1901 England Census

Name: Alexander Dewer
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Dewer
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: Barrow in Furness
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Evangelist
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Barrow in Furness
Sub-registration district: Barrow in Furness
ED, institution, or vessel: 43
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 21
Piece: 4016
Folio: 112
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander Dewer 39
Elizabeth Dewer 37
Duncan Dewer 14
Grace Dewer 12
David Dewer 10
Madge Dewer 7
Neil Dewer 6
Irene Dewer 2

You say Joseph was a bootmaker in Blackpool....when???????

No way could Elizabeth have borne 4 children after 1911 census was taken

Janet

What is the source of your 'info'?

Some of it seems decidedly doubtful

Cumbria Birth indexes for the years: 1891
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
DEWAR David Talbot Barrow Barrow RYLES B/54/427

Cumbria Birth indexes for the years: 1893
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
DEWAR Margaretta Barrow Barrow RYLES B/62/327

Cumbria Birth indexes for the years: 1895
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
DEWAR Neil Boyd Barrow Barrow RYLES B/68/213

Cumbria Birth indexes for the years: 1898
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
DEWAR Florence I Barrow Barrow RYLES B/79/333

Cumbria Birth indexes for the years: 1901
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
DEWAR Phyllis Barrow Barrow RYLES B/90/230
Total records matching : 5.

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1887
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference

DEWAR Duncan Cheetham Manchester CHE/69/30

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1889
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
DEWAR Grace L Broughton Salford BRO/52/52

l am sorry l have not been in touch but l have not done much with the tree the things you have found are right my grandmother did have 11 childern l was told she had boys and girls through her 11 childern some of the boys did not live long Maud was the first and Phyllis was the last Joseph was on Elizabeth marries records and his trade was list as bootmaker and his address was 42 Blackpool street or road Elizabeth was married in North Shields Janet

But on the 1911 census Phyllis is the youngest child, aged 10 and Elizabeth clearly states that she had 8 children, 7 still living, 1 had died.

Hi everyone my cousin Rita gave me our greatgrandparnets children names and when they were born Maud Duncan Grace David died age 12 Margearetta Neil Irene another boy Phyllis. l am sorry l got susan mother wrong her name was Norah Dewar she married Tom Ferris in 1921 Norah was her first child Zena was there second child her third child and first child of her second marries her name is Julie Wright Norah married a Victor Marshall this is all l know Janet

Still no idea what you're looking for..............please clarify

and please answer the questions...........particularly those about where you got your 'info' about Joseph

You state that he was a bootmaker in Blackpool.....but give no evidence to support this

Elizabeth was born in Staffordshire, and married in Barrow..........so where does Blackpool fit in?

1881 census


Person: RYLES, Elizabeth Address: 59, Emlyn St, Barrow In Furness

RYLES, Mary A Head Married F 46 1835
Lady Moor, Staffordshire VIEW
RYLES, Henry Son Single M 20 1861 Machine Driller (E & M)
Bilston, Staffordshire VIEW
RYLES, Sarah A Daughter Single F 18 1863 Jute Worker
Barrow, Lancashire VIEW
TODD, Louisa Daughter Married F 23 1858 Housekeeper
Bilston, Staffordshire VIEW
RYLES, Thomas Son Single M 14 1867 Machine Driller (E & M)
Warton, Lancashire VIEW
RYLES, Emma Daughter Single F 12 1869 Scholar
Barrow, Lancashire VIEW
RYLES, Arthur Son Single M 10 1871 Scholar
Barrow, Lancashire VIEW
RYLES, Elizabeth Niece Single F 18 1863 Jute Worker
Staley Bridge, Staffordshire VIEW
TODD, John Son In Law Married M 22 1859 Stone Mason
Hawcoat, Lancashire VIEW
GILPIN, James Boarder Single M 26 1855 Map Etc Salesman
Ireland VIEW

The aunt and family in 1871

1871 census

Person: RYLES, Henry Address: St Vincent Street, Dalton, Barrow

RYLES, Henry Head M 32 1839 Lancashire VIEW
RYLES, Mary A Wife F 38 1833 Staffordshire VIEW
RYLES, Luisa Daughter F 13 1858 Staffordshire VIEW
RYLES, Henry Son M 10 1861 Staffordshire VIEW
RYLES, Sarah A Daughter F 8 1863 Lancashire VIEW
RYLES, Thomas Son M 4 1867 Lancashire VIEW
RYLES, Emma Daughter F 2 1869 Lancashire VIEW
RYLES, Arthur Son M 0 1871 Lancashire VIEW
RYLES, Thomas Brother M 35 1836 Cheshire

They all seem confused about where they were born.............

1861 census

Person: RYLES, Henry Address: Dalton Road, Dalton

RYLES, Henry Head Married M 24 1837 Engineer Driver Blast Furnaas
Edge Moor, Staffordshire VIEW
RYLES, Mary Ann Wife Married F 26 1835
Hayley Bridge, Lancashire VIEW
RYLES, Mary Jane Daughter F 5 1856
Bilston, Staffordshire VIEW
RYLES, Lousia Daughter F 3 1858
Bilston, Staffordshire VIEW
RYLES, Henry Son M 11 1850 Scholar
Bilston, Staffordshire