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Tina12
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3 Oct 2012 20:56 |
I'm a bit stumped as to where to go from here. I'm trying to trace my paternal great grandfather and grandmother.
Information I have so far is:
My father: John Arthur Louis Hardy Born 1920 (Paddington, London) Died 1984
His Mother: Christiana Metcalfe (incorrectly sometimes shown as Christina) His father: John Hardy - Born abt 1883/died 1963
I know that my great grandfather's father's name was James and that when my grandfather and grandmother married in 1920 he was deceased and was a general dealer.
I do not know what my great grandmother's name was (although I had found some records for a Margaret Bone and in the 1901 Census a family with these names lived with their 2 sons; John and James in Marleybone, London - so a possibility?)
Earlier Census records have revealed nothing to me.
Any help on what or where I should be looking would be greatley appreciated.
Thank you
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KathleenBell
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3 Oct 2012 21:39 |
Could this be your grandfather and great grandfather in the 1901 census:-
1901 census transcription details for: 12, Victoria Place, St Marylebone
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG13 Piece: 112 Folio: 66 Page: 4 Reg. District: Marylebone Sub District: Christchurch Parish: St Marylebone Enum. District: 3 Ecclesiastical District: Emmanuel Maida Hill City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 12, Victoria Place, St Marylebone County: London
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
HARDY, James Head Married M 54 1847 General Dealer Marylebone, London HARDY, Margaret Wife Married F 56 1845 Marylebone, London HARDY, James Son Single M 20 1881 Railway Carman Marylebone, London HARDY, John Son Single M 18 1883 General Dealer Marylebone, London
Kath. x
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Kucinta
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3 Oct 2012 21:42 |
Just for info:
Name: John Hardy - carman Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885 Age: 35 Spouse Name: Christina Metcalfe Spouse Age: 19 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 21 Mar 1920 Parish: Paddington St Peter Borough: Westminster Father Name: James Hardy - general dealer deceased Spouse Father Name: Arthur Metcalfe - railway clerk Register Type: Parish Register
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Mike *
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3 Oct 2012 21:49 |
Is this Christiana's family ?
1911
Christina Metcalfe
Birth Place: Leeds, Yorkshire, England Civil parish:Norton County/Island:Yorkshire-North Riding
Street Address: 3 Vine Street, Norton Malton Yorkshire Registration district: Malton
Arthur Metcalfe 34 - Railway Clek - Born Thirsk Yorkshire Fanny Jane Metcalfe 31 - Pocklington Yorkshire Irene Brenda Maria Metcalfe 12 - Thirsk Christina Metcalfe 10 - Leeds Sybil Metcalfe 9 - Leeds Mary Josephine Metcalfe 10/12 - Whitby
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KathleenBell
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3 Oct 2012 21:51 |
Possible death of James Hardy:-
Name: HARDY, James Registration district: Paddington County: London Year of registration: 1917 Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Age at death: 69 Volume no: 1A Page no: 18
Kath. x
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KathleenBell
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3 Oct 2012 21:54 |
Possibly your grandfather and his parents in the 1911 census:-
1911 census transcription details for: 6 Park Road Mews N W
National Archive Reference: RG14PN6982 RG78PN346A RD129 SD1 ED2 SN316 Reg. District: Willesden Sub District: Willesden Parish: Willesden Enum. District: 2
Address: 6 Park Road Mews N W County: Middlesex
Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
HARDY, James Head Married 37 years M 64 1847 Greengrocer Hawker East Street Marylebone HARDY, Margaret Wife Married 37 years F 70 1841 Vencent Street Westminster HARDY, John Son Single M 25 1886 Carmen For Parish Devenshire Street BOW, Margeret Granddaughter Single F 21 1890 Laundress Victoria Place Street HARDY, Margeret Granddaughter Single F 9 1902 Hereford Street SIMPSON, Henry Visitor M 0 (11 MONTHS) 1911 Denmark Road Street BONE, Zachariah Son Married M 45 1866 Greengrocer Hawker Boston Place
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Mike *
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3 Oct 2012 21:55 |
Births Jun 1900 - METCALFE Christiana - Leeds - ? Mch/29
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3 Oct 2012 21:57 |
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Sep 1890 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fawcett Frederick Leeds 9b 687 FAWCETT Fredrick Leeds 9b 687 ********Hill Fanny - Leeds 9b 687 ******Metcalfe Arthur - Leeds 9b 687 SHORT Martha Ann Leeds 9b 687
EDIT : No... she would be too young
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Mike *
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3 Oct 2012 21:59 |
From a tree on Anst*
Christina Metcalfe
Parents Arthur Metcalfe 1877 – Fanny Jane Simpson 1879 – 1950 ( not Hill ?)
Spouse John Hardy1883 – 1963
children :
Irene M Hardy1919 – 1995 John Louis Arthur Hardy1920 – 2003
Death 12 March 1982 in Brighton, East Sussex, England
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Chris Ho :)
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3 Oct 2012 22:01 |
Name: Margaret Bone (Widow) Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848 Age: 38 Spouse Name: James Hardy (Costermonger) Spouse Age: 37 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 9 Feb 1886 Parish: St Marylebone Borough: Westminster Father Name: John Newman (Ship Breaker?) Spouse Father Name: David Hardy (Coachman deceased) Register Type: Parish Register (address for both, 22, Devonshire Place, witnesses, John Price, Mary Price)
Chris :)
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Mike *
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3 Oct 2012 22:07 |
correct marriage for Christiana's parents.
Marriages Mar 1898 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Liversidge Henry Leeds 9b 583 **********Metcalf Arthur - Leeds 9b 583 ************Simpson Fanny Jane - Leeds 9b 583 Walker Maria Leeds 9b 583
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Mike *
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3 Oct 2012 22:08 |
Births Dec 1879 Simpson Fanny Jane - Pocklington 9d 72
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3 Oct 2012 22:11 |
Fanny Jane Simpson Birth31 Oct 1879 in Pocklington, Yorkshire, England DeathDec 1950 in Whitby, Yorkshire North Riding, England
Parents
Joseph Simpson1848 – Mary Day/Simpson 1845 –
Spouse Arthur Metcalfe1877 –
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KathleenBell
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3 Oct 2012 22:15 |
The GRO reference for James and Margaret's marriage (looks like this was James's second marriage):-
Name: HARDY, James Registration district: Marylebone County: London Year of registration: 1886 Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912 Volume no: 1A Page no: 831
MarriageFinder: James Hardy married one of the following people:
APPS, Amelia Rose BONE, Margaret<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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Kucinta
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3 Oct 2012 22:15 |
The marriage of John Hardy to Margaret Bone took place in 1886.
James Hardy jr in census 1901 seems to predate the marriage as born c1881, is he Margaret's child by her first marriage, or was he James' child by his first marriage?
John Hardy has variable birthdates - c1883 in census 1901 as posted, c1886 in the 1911 census posted, so he could be born before or after the 1886 marriage. If so, was his mother Margaret, or a first wife from the previous marriage that Kath postulated?
EDIT The James Hardy who married Margaret Bone is described as a bachelor.
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Mike *
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3 Oct 2012 22:18 |
1881
Arthur Metcalfe Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877 Relation: Son Father's Name: William Metcalfe Mother's Name: Maria Metcalfe Gender: Male Where born: Sowerby, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Sowerby in Thirsk County/Island: Yorkshire
William Metcalfe 38 - Railway engine driver - Maria Metcalfe 36 John Metcalfe 14 Thomas Metcalfe 12 George Metcalfe 10 William Metcalfe 8 Julia Metcalfe 6 Arthur Metcalfe 4 <<<<<<<<<<< Earnest Metcalfe 1
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Vicci
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4 Oct 2012 00:02 |
1891 interesting that the family is showing with surname BONE same address as 1901
Margaret Bone Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: James Bone Gender: Female Where born: Westminster, London, England Civil parish: St Marylebone Ecclesiastical parish: Emmanuel County/Island: London Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Marylebone Sub-registration district: St John ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 103 Folio: 29 Page Number: 52 Household Members: Name Age James Bone 45 Margaret Bone 45 Agnes Bone 22 Hary A Bone 16 James Bone 9 John Bone 6 Margaret Bone 5/12
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Vicci
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4 Oct 2012 00:05 |
1881 Margaret Bone Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: James Bone Gender: Female Where born: Marylebone, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Marylebone County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 3 Capland Place Condition as to marriage: Married Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Marylebone Sub-registration district: St John ED, institution, or vessel: 5b Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 160 Folio: 39 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age James Bone 34 (occupation slater) Margaret Bone 33 Zachariah Bone 15 Agness Bone 12 Mary A. Bone 6
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Vicci
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4 Oct 2012 00:07 |
margaret in 1871 husband JOHN BONE Margaret Bone Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: John Bone Gender: Female Where born: Marylebone, Middlesex, England Civil parish: St Marylebone Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Marylebone Sub-registration district: Christchurch ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household schedule number: 202 Piece: 172 Folio: 66 Page Number: 29 Household Members: Name Age John Bone 30 Margaret Bone 26 Henry Bone 1 Zachariah Bone 5 Agnes Bone 2
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KathleenBell
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4 Oct 2012 00:17 |
That's really interesting Vicci.
I wonder if John Bone and James Bone are the same person or if John Bone died and James moved in with Margaret and she just gave the Bone name to the enumerator when each census came round. His name must have been Hardy or he wouldn't have married using that name.
EDIT - there is this death in Marylebone:-
Name: BONE, John Registration district: Marylebone County: London Year of registration: 1871 Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun Age at death: 29 Volume no: 1A Page no: 313
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