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Help with tracing my paternal great grandfather

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Tina12

Tina12 Report 10 Oct 2012 21:56

I think I've managed to get my head round all of this! lol

I think a lot of the information Kath has found tallies up. I do know from my grandfather's marriage certificate (John Hardy to Christiana Hardy - 21.03.1920) that his father (James Hardy, General Dealer) was deceased at the time they married.

My grandfather (John Hardy) died 29.12.1963 in Hemel Hempstead, aged 82.

I'm still trying to get my head around why the Bone surname would have been used in the Censuses rather than the Hardy surname - is this something that might have been done?? or was usual??

I have heard that it is so easy to start tracing the wrong family back because of picking up on the wrong lead; this worries me but I think James Hardy/Margaret Bone does seem as though it would be my great grandparents.

Thanks for all your help :-) x

Tina12

Tina12 Report 4 Oct 2012 13:45

Gosh! So much information to take in and digest. On lunch break at work at the moment but will look at these in more detail when I get home this evening.

I already have information regarding my paternal grandmother's parents which is Metcalfe/Simpson.

I had a few problems but with the help of many on Genes, managed to track down my paternal grandmother (Christiana Metcalfe) (who had left my grandfather and 3 children when they were young - but we never knew why). I've also found a lady that would appear to be my aunt from my grandmother's re-marriage but although she is a member here on Genes & Ancestry she doesn't appear to want to reply to my messages.

However, getting back to my grandfather's parents.....this is what I would like to concentrate on for a while so thank you for all the info. I'll have a look tonight and may get back with a few queries.

Thank you
Tina x

Vicci

Vicci Report 4 Oct 2012 09:04

Margaret gives her maiden name as Newman on her second marriage in 1886.
first husband name varies, either John, Henry or James Bone.

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 4 Oct 2012 00:22

I thought he was called John Bone on the 1871 census??

There is this marriage:-

Name: BONE, John
Registration district: Marylebone
County: London
Year of registration: 1858
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 1A
Page no: 825

MarriageFinder: John Bone married one of the following people:

BRIGHT, Eliza Sarah
RICHARDS, Margaret<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
MIDMER, John Matthew

EDIT - no, Margaret would be too young for this marriage.

Kath. x

Vicci

Vicci Report 4 Oct 2012 00:19

Margaret's first marriage
maiden name Newman
1862

Henry Bone

Marriages Dec 1862 (>99%)
Bone Henry Westminster 1a 553
Newman Margaret Westminster 1a 553

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 4 Oct 2012 00:17

That's really interesting Vicci.

I wonder if John Bone and James Bone are the same person or if John Bone died and James moved in with Margaret and she just gave the Bone name to the enumerator when each census came round. His name must have been Hardy or he wouldn't have married using that name.

EDIT - there is this death in Marylebone:-

Name: BONE, John
Registration district: Marylebone
County: London
Year of registration: 1871
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at death: 29
Volume no: 1A
Page no: 313

Kath. x

Vicci

Vicci Report 4 Oct 2012 00:07

margaret in 1871
husband JOHN BONE
Margaret Bone
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Bone
Gender: Female
Where born: Marylebone, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: Christchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 202
Piece: 172
Folio: 66
Page Number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
John Bone 30
Margaret Bone 26
Henry Bone 1
Zachariah Bone 5
Agnes Bone 2


Vicci

Vicci Report 4 Oct 2012 00:05

1881
Margaret Bone
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Bone
Gender: Female
Where born: Marylebone, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Marylebone
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 3 Capland Place
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 5b
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 160
Folio: 39
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
James Bone 34 (occupation slater)
Margaret Bone 33
Zachariah Bone 15
Agness Bone 12
Mary A. Bone 6

Vicci

Vicci Report 4 Oct 2012 00:02

1891
interesting that the family is showing with surname BONE
same address as 1901

Margaret Bone
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Bone
Gender: Female
Where born: Westminster, London, England

Civil parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: Emmanuel
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image

Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 103
Folio: 29
Page Number: 52
Household Members:
Name Age
James Bone 45
Margaret Bone 45
Agnes Bone 22
Hary A Bone 16
James Bone 9
John Bone 6
Margaret Bone 5/12

Mike *

Mike * Report 3 Oct 2012 22:18

1881

Arthur Metcalfe
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Metcalfe
Mother's Name: Maria Metcalfe
Gender: Male
Where born: Sowerby, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Sowerby in Thirsk
County/Island: Yorkshire


William Metcalfe 38 - Railway engine driver -
Maria Metcalfe 36
John Metcalfe 14
Thomas Metcalfe 12
George Metcalfe 10
William Metcalfe 8
Julia Metcalfe 6
Arthur Metcalfe 4 <<<<<<<<<<<
Earnest Metcalfe 1

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 3 Oct 2012 22:15

The marriage of John Hardy to Margaret Bone took place in 1886.

James Hardy jr in census 1901 seems to predate the marriage as born c1881, is he Margaret's child by her first marriage, or was he James' child by his first marriage?

John Hardy has variable birthdates - c1883 in census 1901 as posted, c1886 in the 1911 census posted, so he could be born before or after the 1886 marriage. If so, was his mother Margaret, or a first wife from the previous marriage that Kath postulated?

EDIT The James Hardy who married Margaret Bone is described as a bachelor.

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 3 Oct 2012 22:15

The GRO reference for James and Margaret's marriage (looks like this was James's second marriage):-


Name: HARDY, James
Registration district: Marylebone
County: London
Year of registration: 1886
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 1A
Page no: 831

MarriageFinder: James Hardy married one of the following people:

APPS, Amelia Rose
BONE, Margaret<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Kath. x

Mike *

Mike * Report 3 Oct 2012 22:11


Fanny Jane Simpson
Birth31 Oct 1879 in Pocklington, Yorkshire, England
DeathDec 1950 in Whitby, Yorkshire North Riding, England


Parents

Joseph Simpson1848 –
Mary Day/Simpson 1845 –


Spouse Arthur Metcalfe1877 –

Mike *

Mike * Report 3 Oct 2012 22:08

Births Dec 1879

Simpson Fanny Jane - Pocklington 9d 72

Mike *

Mike * Report 3 Oct 2012 22:07

correct marriage for Christiana's parents.

Marriages Mar 1898
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Liversidge Henry Leeds 9b 583
**********Metcalf Arthur - Leeds 9b 583
************Simpson Fanny Jane - Leeds 9b 583
Walker Maria Leeds 9b 583

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 3 Oct 2012 22:01

Name: Margaret Bone (Widow)
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Age: 38
Spouse Name: James Hardy (Costermonger)
Spouse Age: 37
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 9 Feb 1886
Parish: St Marylebone
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: John Newman (Ship Breaker?)
Spouse Father Name: David Hardy (Coachman deceased)
Register Type: Parish Register
(address for both, 22, Devonshire Place, witnesses, John Price, Mary Price)

Chris :)

Mike *

Mike * Report 3 Oct 2012 21:59


From a tree on Anst*

Christina Metcalfe

Parents
Arthur Metcalfe 1877 –
Fanny Jane Simpson 1879 – 1950 ( not Hill ?)


Spouse John Hardy1883 – 1963

children :

Irene M Hardy1919 – 1995
John Louis Arthur Hardy1920 – 2003


Death 12 March 1982 in Brighton, East Sussex, England

Mike *

Mike * Report 3 Oct 2012 21:57


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marriages Sep 1890 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Fawcett Frederick Leeds 9b 687
FAWCETT Fredrick Leeds 9b 687
********Hill Fanny - Leeds 9b 687
******Metcalfe Arthur - Leeds 9b 687
SHORT Martha Ann Leeds 9b 687


EDIT :
No... she would be too young

Mike *

Mike * Report 3 Oct 2012 21:55

Births Jun 1900 -

METCALFE Christiana - Leeds - ? Mch/29

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 3 Oct 2012 21:54

Possibly your grandfather and his parents in the 1911 census:-

1911 census transcription details for: 6 Park Road Mews N W

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN6982 RG78PN346A RD129 SD1 ED2 SN316
Reg. District: Willesden
Sub District: Willesden
Parish: Willesden
Enum. District: 2

Address: 6 Park Road Mews N W
County: Middlesex

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

HARDY, James Head Married
37 years M 64 1847 Greengrocer Hawker East Street Marylebone
HARDY, Margaret Wife Married
37 years F 70 1841 Vencent Street Westminster
HARDY, John Son Single M 25 1886 Carmen For Parish Devenshire Street
BOW, Margeret Granddaughter Single F 21 1890 Laundress Victoria Place Street
HARDY, Margeret Granddaughter Single F 9 1902 Hereford Street
SIMPSON, Henry Visitor M 0 (11 MONTHS) 1911 Denmark Road Street
BONE, Zachariah Son Married M 45 1866 Greengrocer Hawker Boston Place

Kath. x