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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 10 Oct 2012 17:25


My mums paternal gran was Esther Matilda Emons born 1852 Bethnal Green.
I have her on all the census including her marriage toJohn Batchelor and they are on the 1881 census.

John died in 1884 from TB and in 1891 she was with Frederick Hewitt her first cousin and they had chidlren May born 1891 and Eliza born 1886. She married Fred in 1893 but he died in 1899. She then married her BIL Charles David Hewitt in 1900 ,Fred bros, Charles had been married to HER sister Mary Ann Charlotte Hewitt nee Emons who died in 1899, What a round robin!!

They dont show on the 1901 living togther.

Esther is with her married daighter Agnes Lucas in 1911 and show as as marrued BUT Charles died in 1906.

HELP i cant find a death for Esther afer 1911 .

I bought a death cert for an Esther M Hewitt in 1934 that would fit but it aint her!!
Name: Esther M Hewitt
Birth Date: abt 1853
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1935
Age at Death: 82
Registration district: Wandsworth
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 1d
Page: 579

NOT her as she was an Esther Martha and her daughter was the informant who doesnt fit into our tree,

She must have died sometime cos cant still be alive !! lol

Can anyone see something I may have missed.

I have all census and marriage certs so dont waste your precious time on these

here she is in 1911 with her married daughter Agnes and grandson James who is her son Arthurs boy by his first marriage

1911 census transcription details for: 83 Dunedin Road Leyton

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National Archive Reference:
RG14PN9645 RG78PN513A RD188 SD9 ED12 SN173
Reg. District: West Ham
Sub District: North Leyton
Parish: Low Leyton
Enum. District: 12
Address: 83 Dunedin Road Leyton
County: Essex
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
LUCAS, Walter Head Married M 29 1882 Laborer Hacknet Wick London
LUCAS, Agnes Mary Wife Married
2 years F 37 1874 Stepney London
HEWITT, Esther Matilda Mother In Law Married F 58 1853 Whitechapel London
HEWITT, William Uncle Single M 50 1861 Sheeter Hoxton London
HEWITT, May Sister Single F 20 1891 Assistant In Confectionery Works Hackney Wick London
HEWITT, Rose Sister F 13 1898 Hackney Wick London
BATCHELOR, James Nephew M 7 1904 Bethnal Green London
SHELTON, Frank Visitor Single M 25 1886 Labourer Yorkshire Sheffield
LUCAS, Esther Matilda Jessie Ann Daughter F 0 (9 MONTHS) 1911 Victoria Park London
LUCAS, Ivy Ada Rosina May Daughter F 0 (9 MONTHS) 1911 Victoria Park London


SO when did she die??? and where is she ??

Researching:
Surname Fahse. Germany. Essex .South East London

Londonbelle

Londonbelle Report 10 Oct 2012 17:33

Could she have married again?

Marriages Dec 1915
Gourdon Aime A Verdon Hackney 1b 1642
>>>Hewitt Esther M Steel Hackney 1b 1642
>>>Steel Robert Hewitt Hackney 1b 1642
Verdon Margaret Gourdon Hackney 1b 1642

Londonbelle

Londonbelle Report 10 Oct 2012 17:38

Perhaps not.....

ame: Esther Maitlda Steel
Birth Date: 1891
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1973
Age at Death: 82
Registration district: Hackney
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 5b
Page: 1648

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 10 Oct 2012 17:46

Thanks NO I did investigate that Esther and its not her

Londonbelle

Londonbelle Report 10 Oct 2012 17:59

Clutching at straws now!

Name: Matilda E Hewitt
Birth Date: abt 1854
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1923
Age at Death: 69
Registration district: Basingstoke
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 258

EDIT

No....don't think so!

Name: Matilda E Hewitt
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James B Hewitt
Gender: Female
Where born: Billericay, Essex, England

Civil parish: Basingstoke
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael and All Angels
Town: Basingstoke
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 10 Oct 2012 18:07

I took ages to find Charles death , bought death certs that seemed to fit him based on the fact she was said to be married not widowed in 1911.

Took a chance on the 1906 death cert even though he was only shown as Charles not Charles David and hit the jackpot cos it was him and Esther's married daughter was the informant.

So not sticking as Esther's death will show as Esther Matilda OR even Esther M but still not seeing a likely death,

Aint it annoying cos you know they have gone :-(

Londonbelle

Londonbelle Report 10 Oct 2012 18:14

You've most probably looked at this one......

Deaths Jun 1926
Hewitt Esther 74 Burnley 8e 221

Were there any family living in Burnley?

Amanda,

Amanda, Report 10 Oct 2012 18:15

Hi Shirley,

I wonder if it's one of those that is missing from the GRO.

I have a chap who I know where and when he died as the 1911 Census lists him as having been alive at midnight but passed away after that time and is now deceased.

No Cert has been found for him.

I am wondering about yours being the West Ham one in 1928, I know the age is out but............
Nope, just seen her on the 1911

Kind regards
Amanda

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 10 Oct 2012 18:27

Thanks Londonbelle
No the family stayed in the Hackney/ East London area . some addresses for the family are consistent and seemed to pass tenancy though the family on the census's.

I just can;'t find her death!!

Amanda I think she is one of these too whose death hasn't been passed on to the GRO

Barbara

Barbara Report 10 Oct 2012 21:05

There is a Mrs Esther Hewitt living at 21 Homerton HIgh Street according to a post office Directory in 1938

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 10 Oct 2012 22:23

That looks interesting allotment. no record of the family living in that area but who knows . will try and see if can find that one in 1911.

thanks Barbara will look at that one too.

Isn't it annoying when you just cant locate them.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 10 Oct 2012 22:25

Shirley, I'm sure you have probably tried this but if she was buried with some of her family that may be the way to go to find a death date.

I found a date of burial for my G. G. Grandfather but have never found his death registration and I think he must have been "missed" from the indexes. He is buried in Scotland (with his wife) where he had lived for over 50 years but I am blowed if I can find a copy of his death regitration.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 10 Oct 2012 22:31

Well that Matilda isnt showing on the 1911 so maybe its her. Will have to get the cert .

moonbi

moonbi Report 11 Oct 2012 03:17

Have you tried looking for an obituary in the local newspaper ? As I have found newspaper archives can shine a light on these things.

jax

jax Report 11 Oct 2012 03:38

Matilda Mascall married Sydney Arthur Wood in 1911

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Matilda Mascall
Name: Matilda Mascall
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Age: 25
Spouse Name: Sidney Arthur Wood
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 24 Dec 1911
Parish: Hackney St John
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Edward Charles Mascall
Register Type: Parish Register


Could she have just moved in with someone and taken his name?

Gins

Gins Report 11 Oct 2012 10:15

Hi Shirley

Is this her in 1901, she lists herself as a widow so presume her and Charles parted soon after the marriage?


1901 England Census
Name: Esther M Hewett
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Bethnal Green, London, England

Civil parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: St Augustine South Hackney
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: South-East Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 326
Piece: 233
Folio: 64
Page Number: 51
Household Members: Name Age
Esther M Hewett 47
James Hewett 22
Herbert Hewett 21
Agnes Hewett 19
Eliza Hewett 19


Sorry, I know its not her death but I am just trying to get my head around the family!

Did Charles David have any children and have you found him on the 1901 census?


Is this him, a marriage takes place in Chorlton in Dec Q 1901??


1901 England Census
Name: Charles Hewitt
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary A Hewitt
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: South Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: Ardwick St Silas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 237
Piece: 3678
Folio: 104
Page Number: 44
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Hewitt 50
Mary A Hewitt 41
Charles J Hewitt 20
Edith E Hewitt 11
Florence M Hewitt 9
Arthur W Hewitt 7
Leslie G Hewitt 4
Herbert F Hewitt 2


Maybe not as you say he died in 1906!


1911 England Census
Name: Charles Hewitt
Age in 1911: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: London, England
Civil parish: South Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 162 Rylance St Ardwick Manchester
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Corset Presser
Registration district: Chorlton
Registration District Number: 464
Sub-registration district: Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Piece: 23721
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Hewitt 59
Mary Hewitt 51
Edith Hewitt 21
Florence Hewitt 19
Arthur Hewitt 17
Fred Hewitt 12
Ernest Hewitt 6


Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 11 Oct 2012 10:47

Gins yes that is her on the 1901 . It wasnt legal to marry your dead sisters hubby so maybe they were shopped or something.

James, Herbert and Agnes were in fact surname Batchelor as they are her children by John, Eliza is her daughter by Fred Hewitt.

The two girls on the 1911 posted as sisters are RosettaAda/Rose b1898 to Charles and her sister Mary And May b1891 to Esther & Fred Hewitt pre their marraige. Took me ages to pin them down .

Now where May and Rosetta were on the 1901 is a puzzle.

Charles had a son Frederick who died in 1902 aged 13 and one of Esther's daughters was the informant and describes herself as cousin which is true . The same daughter Esther Jane Hounslow nee Batchelor who married in Poplar in 1896 was the informant on Charles death cert in 1906. Seems the family all stayed together


Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 11 Oct 2012 10:58

I havent been able to find Charles on the 1901 or any of his children by his first wife Mary

Charles & mary in 1891

1891 England Census about Charles Hewitt
Name: Charles Hewitt
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary A Hewitt
Gender: Male
Where born: Kingsland, London, England
Civil parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary of Eton
Town: Homerton
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:23 Osborne Road

Occupation:Glass Blower

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: South Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 207
Folio: 118
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Hewitt 36
Mary A Hewitt 33
Mary A Hewitt 12
Charles G Hewett 3 died 1917 Hackney reg district
Frederick W Hewett 1- died 1902

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 207; Folio: 118; Page: 23; GSU roll: 6095317.



Osborne Road is one of the roads several of the family lived at from time to time as are Bartripp Street and Octogon Street

safc

safc Report 11 Oct 2012 11:13

????

Deaths Mar 1922 (>99%)
Hewitt Esther 73 Croydon 2a 599

Gins

Gins Report 11 Oct 2012 11:35

Oooh Shirley, what a nightmare family :-S