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John Muir born 5 or 7 July 1897 place of birth

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Mary

Mary Report 1 Dec 2012 13:59

We think William McPherson (not sure if Mac or Mc) was his father's son but obviously this was not listed on the birth certificate as looks like Annie had John Muir then died and Muir was her family name.

I suppose since Beith was such a small village then people might have known John Muir's father and also William McPhersons hence the reason for the step brother. Seemingly William McPherson worked in the local picture house.

Mary

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 18 Nov 2012 22:18

Mary,
Re the 1901 census
The man named William Kerr was entered as a Lodger, a Leather Curer who was also born in Beith, Ayrshire.

John Muir is on this census is with his widowed grandmother Barbara Muir MS Morrison.
John was born in Jul 1897 and his mother Annie died 13 months later.

I guess if Annie had another son, then he would be older than John, but why do you think he would he be named McPherson?

Anne

Mary

Mary Report 18 Nov 2012 19:28

There seems to be a mention of John Muir having a half brother called Wiliam Mcpherson but not sure how you would find this out any steps for a hint!

Do you think William Kerr at the bottom is a friend?

1901 if this one then a problem as not with parents

Name: John Muir
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relationship: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Beith, Ayrshire
Registration number: 581
Registration district: Beith
Civil parish: Beith
Town: Beith
County: Ayrshire
Address: Newton
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 44
Line: 22
Roll: CSSCT1901_220
Household Members: Name Age
Barbara Muir 54
Robert Muir 17
John Muir 4
William Kerr 64

Mary

Mary Report 18 Nov 2012 19:21

Is there any way of tracing who Letitia J Leighton 40 is on this entry whether she is a boarder, friend etc.


1891 Scotland Census about Barbara Muir
Name: Barbara Muir
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration number: 581
Registration district: Beith
Civil parish: Beith
Town: Beith
County: Ayrshire
Address: 50 Wilson St *** same address as 1896 birth cert
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 115
Line: 18
Roll: CSSCT1891_200
Household Members:
Name Age
Barbara Muir 45
Maggie Muir 21
Mary Muir 18
Robert Muir 7
Letitia J Leighton 40

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 8 Nov 2012 16:20

Barbara died 26.10.1910 at 62 Wilson Street widow of John Muir an Engine Fireman at silk print works

her father was William Morrison deceased mother Mary Morrison nee Brown deceased informant son Robert Muir of 62 Wilson Street

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 8 Nov 2012 12:36

dont know if you have these too??
name: Charles Reid Muir
gender: Male
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place:
birth date: 30 Jul 1881
birthplace: Beith, Ayrshire, Scotland
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: John Muir
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Barbara Morrison
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C01882-7
system origin: Scotland-EASy
source film number: 232663
reference number: v 581 p 52



name: Mary Muir
gender: Female
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place:
birth date: 19 May 1872
birthplace: BEITH,AYR,SCOTLAND
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: John Muir
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Barbara Morrison
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C11581-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516
reference number:


name: Margaret Gibson Muir
gender: Female
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place:
birth date: 31 Jan 1870
birthplace: BEITH,AYR,SCOTLAND
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: John Muir
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Barbara Morrison
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C11581-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516
reference number:



name: Janet Muir
gender: Female
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place:
birth date: 14 Sep 1874
birthplace: BEITH,AYR,SCOTLAND
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: John Muir
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Barbara Morrison
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C11581-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516
reference number:


name: Robert Muir
gender: Male
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place:
birth date: 21 Nov 1865
birthplace: BEITH,AYR,SCOTLAND
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: John Muir
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Barbara Morrison
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C11581-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516
reference number:


All from Family Search site

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 8 Nov 2012 12:17

Name: Annie Muir
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: John Muir
Mother's name: Barbara Muir
Gender: Female
Where born: Beith, Ayrshire
Registration number: 581
Registration district: Beith
Civil parish: Beith
Town: Beith
County: Ayrshire
Address: Newton
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 51
Line: 22
Roll: cssct1881_180
Household Members:
Name Age
John Muir 35
Barbara Muir 34
Robert Muir 15
Annie Muir 13
Maggie Muir 11
Mary Muir 9
Janet Muir 4
Barbara Muir 2

Source Citation: Parish: Beith; ED: 4; Page: 8; Line: 22; Roll: cssct1881_180.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 8 Nov 2012 11:31

Ahh very sad explains why John is with his grandma


1897 MUIR ANNIE STIRRAT F 29 BEITH (AYR) /AYR 581/00 0096

died at Wilson Street 28.8.1897 cousin William Muir was the informant

her father is listed as John Muir deceased occ a driver of Bread van


Copy sent :-(

Mary

Mary Report 8 Nov 2012 10:28

Letitia j Leighton 40? Does it say if she was a boarder or what her relationship was to the family?

Also just wondered if Annie Muir ever got married and had more children.

Mary

Mary Report 4 Nov 2012 22:04

thank you all very much

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 3 Nov 2012 21:40

Forgot to add:
Annie Stirratt Muir b 27 Dec 1867 in Beith, Ayrshire.
Daughter of John Muir and Barbara Morrison ( as per family search)

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 3 Nov 2012 21:27

I saved the image seeing as it was paid for/ If you PM me with your email I will send it to you

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 3 Nov 2012 21:26

ahh Annie Stirratt the writing is hard to read . i enhanced it but it made it worse so deciphered it as it looked

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 3 Nov 2012 20:40

I think Shirley has possibly located the correct birth record
The mother of John Muir b 1896 in Beith was Annie STIRRAT Muir.
The 1901 census posted by glitterbaby is the child with his grandmother.

I think John was raised by his grandmother, and hois own daughter named Barbara will be named for her.

1881 Scotland Census about John Muir
Name: John Muir
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Barbara Muir
Gender: Male
Where born: Beith, Ayrshire
Registration number: 581
Registration district: Beith
Civil parish: Beith
Town: Beith
County: Ayrshire
Address: Newton
Occupation: General Labourer
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 51
Line: 19
Roll: cssct1881_180
Household Members:
Name Age
John Muir 35
Barbara Muir 34
Robert Muir 15
Annie Muir 13
Maggie Muir 11
Mary Muir 9
Janet Muir 4
Barbara Muir 2


1891 Scotland Census about Barbara Muir
Name: Barbara Muir
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration number: 581
Registration district: Beith
Civil parish: Beith
Town: Beith
County: Ayrshire
Address: 50 Wilson St *** same address as 1896 birth cert
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 115
Line: 18
Roll: CSSCT1891_200
Household Members:
Name Age
Barbara Muir 45
Maggie Muir 21
Mary Muir 18
Robert Muir 7
Letitia J Leighton 40

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 3 Nov 2012 16:44

Am really wondering about this one /took a look at the actual cert cos I,m intrigued


posted above !!

Wonder on this one??
1896 MUIR JOHN M BEITH (AYR) /AYR 581/00 0144

he was born 7th July 1896 Wilson Street Beith illegitimate, mother reg his birth Annie Harrock Muir of Wilson Street a silk weaver

Mary

Mary Report 3 Nov 2012 16:27

John Muir born 1897
His father is listed as John Muir on the wedding certificate he was deceased at the time and he was a Coal contractor.

Glitter Baby - I think you are right this doesn't fit in.

Thanks to you all - I am always astonished at the amount of help you offer.

Mary

Malcolm

Malcolm Report 3 Nov 2012 16:00

Note that there i also a BEATH in Fife, Scotland. Mining country as well.

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 3 Nov 2012 15:54

1901 if this one then a problem as not with parents

Name: John Muir
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relationship: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Beith, Ayrshire
Registration number: 581
Registration district: Beith
Civil parish: Beith
Town: Beith
County: Ayrshire
Address: Newton
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 44
Line: 22
Roll: CSSCT1901_220
Household Members: Name Age
Barbara Muir 54
Robert Muir 17
John Muir 4
William Kerr 64

Barbara is married to a John Muir but they do not appear to have a son called John

Thinks it rules this out out at the moment

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 3 Nov 2012 15:53

Name: Barbara Muir
Mother's Maiden Surname: Hislop
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1926
Registration district: Birmingham N
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume Number: 6d
Page Number: 698

Malcolm

Malcolm Report 3 Nov 2012 15:50

Scotlands people credits can be paid with most credit cards. They will usually ask for the security (3 figure) code on the back of the card.

Sometimes the site times out if you haven't been active for several minutes and if you try to "backpage" it can also appear to "kick you out." Just log in again.