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James Thorpe of Manchester

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embee Report 8 Nov 2012 14:24

Hello. I am trying to find details of the above person, probably born around 1855 in the Manchester area. He married Margaret JACKSON (born 1858 in Withington) in 1879 at Chorlton Registry Office. Her parents were John and Margaret JACKSON. They had a son John Jackson THORPE born 1888 in Withington (he died in 1916 from injuries sustained in WW1).
James is not mentioned in any census as far as I can see, although Margaret is shown living with her father as married in 1881. I would like to find out about his ancestors and his whereabouts after 1888. Thanks for any help anyone can give.


Reggie Report 8 Nov 2012 14:25

Who was HIS father?

From the marriage cert.......................

If he isn't on a census with his wife, you can't hope to trace him without the marriage cert info

He could have been any age................


KathleenBell Report 8 Nov 2012 14:54

If you have the year of birth right then there is this one in 1861 (slightly different spelling of surname):-

1861 census transcription details for: 12, Back Verdon Street, Manchester

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 2949
Folio: 67
Page: 25
Reg. District: Manchester
Sub District: 4 Market Street
Parish: Manchester
Enum. District: 2
Ecclesiastical District: St Thomas
City/Municipal Borough: Manchester

Address: 12, Back Verdon Street, Manchester
County: Lancashire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

THORP, William Head Married M 39 1822 Shoemaker
Manchester, Lancashire
THORP, Liddey Wife Married F 36 1825
Manchester, Lancashire
THORP, Margaret Daughter F 12 1849 Scholar
Manchester, Lancashire
THORP, Jabez Son M 9 1852 Scholar
Manchester, Lancashire
THORP, James Son M 6 1855 Scholar
Manchester, Lancashire<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
THORP, Alice Daughter F 2 1859
Manchester, Lancashire

As Reggie has already said - does he name his father on the marriage certificate?

Kath. x


KathleenBell Report 8 Nov 2012 15:06

This looks like his wife and son in the 1911 census:-

1911 census transcription details for: 8 Bradshaw Avenue Withington Manchester

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN23686 RG78PN1377 RD464 SD1 ED29 SN235
Reg. District: Chorlton
Sub District: Didsbury
Parish: South Manchester
Enum. District: 29

Address: 8 Bradshaw Avenue Withington Manchester
County: Lancashire

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

THORPE, Margaret Head Widow F 53 1858 None Lancs Withington
THORPE, John Jackson Son Single M 23 1888 Commercial Clerk Lancs Withington

Although Margaret describes herself as a widow is it possible that they just split up. There is this James in the workhouse in 1911:-

1911 census transcription details for: Manchester Workhouse, MANCHESTER WORKHOUSE

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN24204 RD467 SD1 ED34 SN9999
Reg. District: Prestwich
Sub District: Cheetham
Parish: North Manchester
Enum. District: 34

Address: Crumpsall Manchester
County: Lancashire

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

THORPE, James Patient Widower M 55 1856 General Labourer Lanc Manchester

Kath. x


lancashireAnn Report 8 Nov 2012 17:01

what was James occupation on the marriage certificate please

and his father's name & occupation


lancashireAnn Report 8 Nov 2012 17:10

Margaret & John Jackson Thorpe are also alone in 1891 & 1901 but Margaret still describes herself as married


embee Report 16 Nov 2012 11:29

Thanks for the replies so far: Margaret and James were apparently separated soon after their son was born. Her father in his will granted Margaret an income provided she have no contact with James. The war grave record for John Jackson gives him as "Son of James and Margaret Thorpe, of 18, Cooper St., Withington, Manchester in 1916." which could imply that they were living together (perhaps now her father had been dead for 20 years). Looks like I need to get the marriage certificate!

Cheers, Martin