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Sandra
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16 Nov 2012 09:00 |
Elizabeth Collins born 1876, married Edward Collins approx 1898? in the 1901 census lived at 4 zinc st Manchester, 3 children eldest Emily aged 3 in 1901. Then in 1911 census Elizabeth dissapears Emily is 13 yrs youngest son is James is 2 but mother is not listed, we found an Elizabeth Collins aged 35 ( correct age of our liz) living with Samuel copping at 31 Bagot st Wavertree as a single boarder. is this the same elizabeth HELP!
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PricklyHolly
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16 Nov 2012 09:10 |
Hi Sandra and welcome to the boards.
It is always a good idea to include the details of where people were born.
For ref..........here is the family in 1901.........Emily is not the eldest child.....
1901 England Census about Emily Collins Name: Emily Collins Age: 3 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Edward Collins Mother's Name: Elizabeth Collins Gender: Female Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Manchester Ecclesiastical parish: Collyhurst St Oswald County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Manchester Sub-registration district: St George ED, institution, or vessel: 42 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 180 Piece: 3755 Folio: 150 Page Number: 30 Household Members: Name Age Edward Collins 30 ....Born Manchster Lanchester Elizabeth Collins 25 ....Born Manchseter Lanchester Mary E Collins 5 Emily Collins 3 John E Collins 1 Charles Shields 19 (Cousin) Thomas Hall 17 (Boarder) (Res: 4 Zinc St)
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16 Nov 2012 09:14 |
In 1911 Edward is still listed as married and there is a gap on the form where his wife would have been listed. Maybe she was just away on the day of the census.
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PricklyHolly
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16 Nov 2012 09:27 |
She might be in some kind of institution........ie Hospital?
Quite often, people in institutions were transcribed with just their initials.
There is always the possibility that she left her husband and pretended to be single.
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PricklyHolly
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16 Nov 2012 09:33 |
The age is out by 3 years but a possibilty maybe....
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1911 England Census about E C Name: E C Age in 1911: 38 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873 Relation to Head: Patient Gender: Female Birth Place: Manchester, Lancashire Civil parish: Kings Norton and Northfield County/Island: Worcestershire Country: England Street Address: Rubery Hill And Hollymoor Lunatic Asylums, Rubery Near Birmingham Marital Status: Married Registration district: Kings Norton Registration District Number: 383 Sub-registration district: Kings Norton ED, institution, or vessel: 61-66 Piece: 17884 E C..........38 married
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1911 England Census about E C Name: E C Age in 1911: 38 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873 Relation to Head: Patient Gender: Female Birth Place: Manchester, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Winwick County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Marital Status: Married Registration district: Warrington Registration District Number: 459 Sub-registration district: Winwick ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Piece: 23123 (County Lunatic Asylum, Winwick, Warrington) E C..........38 married
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Dea
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16 Nov 2012 09:55 |
Sandra,
Could you please give a reference for the census in 1911 where you found John and Emily ??
Dea x
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PricklyHolly
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16 Nov 2012 10:01 |
Here you go Dea........
Household transcription 1911 census Person: COLLINS, Emily Address: 18 Susan St Manchester
COLLINS, John Head Married M 41 1870 General Labourer Lancashire Manchester VIEW COLLINS, Mary Ellen Daughter F 14 1897 School Lancashire Manchester VIEW COLLINS, Emily Daughter F 13 1898 School Lancashire Manchester VIEW COLLINS, John Son M 11 1900 School Lancashire Manchester VIEW COLLINS, William Son M 8 1903 Lancashire Manchester VIEW COLLINS, Agnes Daughter F 7 1904 Lancashire Manchester VIEW COLLINS, James Son M 2 1909 Lancashire Manchester VIEW HALL, Thomas Boarder Single M 25 1886 Iron Driller Lancashire Manchester VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 24147 Reference: RG14PN24147 RG78PN1387 RD466 SD3 ED14 SN127 Registration District: Manchester Sub District: St George Enumeration District: 14 Parish: Manchester Address: 18 Susan St Manchester County: Lancashire
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Dea
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16 Nov 2012 10:06 |
Yes Prickles - that's the only one that I could find too BUT !!! - the parents there are John + ??
Shouldn't they be Edward + Elizabeth??? Or am I missing something here???
Dea Xxx
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PricklyHolly
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16 Nov 2012 10:14 |
Oooo yeah, i didn't notice "John"........just the children.
Edward in the 1901 is a Iron Foundry Labourer.
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Dea
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16 Nov 2012 10:25 |
Must be the correct family though as everything else matches - even the 'boarder' !!
Perhaps he was 'John Edward' ??
There is this marriage which could fit? :
COLLINS John E WARRINER Elizabeth Prestwich Registrar Attended Manchester PRE_RM/26/185
Dea x
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PricklyHolly
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16 Nov 2012 10:28 |
Maybe he is John Edward..........or, Edward John.
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Porkie_Pie
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16 Nov 2012 10:38 |
According to the OP The first child born was Emily but the 1911 posted has an older child Mary Ellen
May be better if Sandra posts the full info she has for the 1901
Roy
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PricklyHolly
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16 Nov 2012 10:47 |
The oldest child Mary Ellen also appears on the 1901.
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16 Nov 2012 10:49 |
1911 England Census Name: Elizabeth Collins Age in 1911: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875 Relation to Head: Servant Gender: Female Birth Place: Lancashire, England Civil parish: Salford County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: 30 Bury St Salford Marital Status: Married Occupation: General Servant (Domestic) Registration district: Salford Registration District Number: 465 Sub-registration district: Greengate ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Piece: 24026 Household Members: Name Age John L Brook 43 <<<widowed salesman John L Brook 18 Sydney Brook 16 Elizabeth Collins 36 Gladys H Collins 5/12 <<Daughter to head of family John Bollinger 43 Deaths Sep 1925 ----------------------------------------------------- Collins Elizabeth A 49 Salford 8d 257
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Gee
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16 Nov 2012 10:57 |
From a tree at Ancestry..........oooher
Gladys Henrietta Collins Linnen Family Tree Birth: 30 Nov 1910 - Lancashire, England Marriage: Sep 1939 - Salford, Lancashire, England Death: Oct 1985 - Lancashire, England Parents: John Leach Brock<<<<above census Elizabeth Ann Warriner Spouse: Thomas James Andrew Linnen
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Gee
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16 Nov 2012 11:07 |
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: John Leach Brock of 95 Hall Street, Manchester Probate Date: 25 Feb 1942 Death Date: 1 Jan 1942 Death Place: Manchester, England Registry: Manchester, England To Sydney Currie Brock Commercial clerk & Gladys Henrietta Thomas £163 14s 2d
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Gee
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16 Nov 2012 11:19 |
England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 Mary E Collins Spouse Surname: Sydney C Brock Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1917 Registration district: Salford Inferred County: Lancashire Volume Number: 8d Page Number: 82
England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006 Name: Mary Ellen Brock Birth Date: 5 Apr 1896 Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1983 Age at Death: 86 Registration district: Manchester Inferred County: Greater Manchester Volume: 38 Page: 1418
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Gee
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16 Nov 2012 11:30 |
Looks like this is another child for Elizabeth
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 Name: Ada Brock Mother's Maiden Name: Collins Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1915 Registration district: Salford Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 8d Page: 152 England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 Name: Ada Brock Spouse Surname: Cilka Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1935 Registration district: Salford Inferred County: Lancashire Volume Number: 8d Page Number: 1080 England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006 Name: Ada Cilka Birth Date: abt 1915 Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1967 Age at Death: 52 Registration district: Manchester Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 10e Page: 348
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PricklyHolly
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16 Nov 2012 11:48 |
Ooooer!!!
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PricklyHolly
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16 Nov 2012 11:56 |
For a clearer picture of the 1911.......
Household transcription 1911 census Person: BROCK, Sydney Address: 30 Bury St Salford
BROCK, John L Head Widower M 43 1868 Salesman Borrow Lancashire VIEW BROCK, John L Son Single M 18 1893 Salesman Lancs Hulme VIEW BROCK, Sydney Son Single M 16 1895 Clerk Lancs Hulme VIEW COLLINS, Elizabeth Servant Married 8 years F 36 1875 General Servant Domestic Lancs Hulme VIEW COLLINS, Gladys H Daughter F 0 (5 MONTHS) 1911 Lancs Salford VIEW POLLINGER, John Boarder Single M 43 1868 Painter Worker Lancs Salford VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 24026 Reference: RG14PN24026 RG78PN1383 RD465 SD3 ED13 SN208 Registration District: Salford Sub District: Greengate Enumeration District: 13 Parish: Salford Address: 30 Bury St Salford County: Lancashire
Elizabeth married 8 yrs.........i child born and living.
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