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John Dowling b.1868

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Peter

Peter Report 24 Nov 2012 12:25

I am looking for John Dowling in the census before 1891 posted below.

He married in 1887 at Holborn register Office, age 18 yrs, batchelor, printer, 51 Eagle Street, father John Dowling deceased, Paper Marbler.
Witnesses W Hewish and Sarah Hewish.

His mothers name was possibly Hannah.

All help welcome.

Thank you

Peter

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1891 Census
RG number: RG12 Piece: 219 Folio: 21 Page: 35
Reg. District: Holborn
Sub District: St George the Martyr
Parish: St Andrew Holborn Above the Bars and St George The
Enum. District: 6
Ecclesiastical District: St John the Evangelist
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 21, Eagle Street, St Andrew Holborn Above The Bars And St George The, Holborn
County: London
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
DOWLING, John Head Married M 23 1868 Cab Driver Holburn, London
DOWLING, Matilda Wife Married F 21 1870 Camberwell, London
DOWLING, John Son M 3 1888 Holburn, London

Dea

Dea Report 24 Nov 2012 12:33

1881?

DOWLING, Sarah Head Widow F 47 1834 Charwoman
Marylebone 5 Cornwall Mews ? VIEW
DOWLING, John Son Single M 11 1870 Scholar
St Giles, Middlesex VIEW
DOWLING, James Son Single M 9 1872
St Andrews VIEW
DOWLING, Johannah Daughter Single F 2 1879
St Andrews VIEW

Piece: 340
Folio: 11
Page: 20
Registration District: Holborn
Civil Parish: St Andrew Holborn Above the Bars and St George the Martyr
Municipal Borough:

Address: 28, Eagle St, St Andrew Holborn Above The Bars And St George The Martyr

County: London, Middlesex

Dea x

Peter

Peter Report 24 Nov 2012 12:37

Hello Dea ....... that looks promising.

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Mike ....... from your post it looks like father called Thomas. Our dad is John

Thank you both

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 24 Nov 2012 12:40

There were a few John Dowlings born around the same time with father name John.

There is a tree on ancestry that has assigned his parents as John Frederick Dowling and Emma Dovey, however I'm not convinced about that as the father's occupation on baptism is coachmaker.

This is that baptism:

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: John Dowling - birth date 9 December 1867
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 30 Dec 1867
Father's Name: John Frederick Dowling - Coachmaker
Mother's Name: Emma Dowling
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras Old St Pancras
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers

Family lived Coburg Street.

It's quite possible that the tree owner accepted one of Ancestry's hints without verifying.

Dea

Dea Report 24 Nov 2012 12:42

I think this confirms the 1881?

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Johannah Sarah Dowling

Name: Johannah Sarah Dowling
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 9 Apr 1879
Father's Name: John Dowling - Paper Stainer
Mother's Name: Sarah Dowling
Parish or Poor Law Union: St John the Evangelist, Red Lion Square
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers
County: London, Middlesex

address 28 Eagle St.

Dea x

Peter

Peter Report 24 Nov 2012 12:43

Thank you MarieCeleste .... I know the feeling looking for John Dowling . every one seems to have named their sons John.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 24 Nov 2012 12:44

I think Dea has nailed it with that baptism!

Peter

Peter Report 24 Nov 2012 12:44

Dea ....... looks pretty conclusive.

Flip

Flip Report 24 Nov 2012 12:49

He is a witness at his sister's marriage (if this is the correct family) - the fathers occupation is the same:

Johanna Sarah Dowling
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Age: 22
Spouse Name: Sedney Edwin Herink
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 21 May 1901
Parish: Holborn St John
Borough: Camden
Father Name: John Dowling
Spouse Father Name: Anton Herink
Register Type: Parish Register

And her christening:

Johannah Sarah Dowling
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 9 Apr 1879
Father's Name: John Dowling
Mother's Name: Sarah Dowling
Parish or Poor Law Union: St John the Evangelist, Red Lion Square
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers
(Of 28 Eagle Street)

Added, looks like I'm getting too slow - this has already been posted!

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 24 Nov 2012 12:50

I think this may be John snr in 1871, occupation is paper-stainer:

FROST, Sarah Head F 37 1834 Middlesex, b Marylebone - laundress
FROST, Henry Son M 14 1857 Middlesex, b St Giles - Errand boy
FROST, John Son M 2 1869 Middlesex, b St Giles
DOWLING, Fanny Niece F 9 1862 Middlesex, b St Pancras - scholar
DOWLING, John Boarder M 34 1837 Middlesex, b St Pancras - paper stainer

Piece: 372 Folio: 31 Page: 57
Registration District: Holborn
Civil Parish: St Andrew
Holborn Municipal

Address: Eagle Street, St Andrew Holborn County: London, Middlesex

Peter

Peter Report 24 Nov 2012 12:50

poss death:

John Dowling (40) mar1879~Pancras~ 1b ~ 36

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 24 Nov 2012 12:56

Looks a possible marriage:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: John Dowling, bachelor - paper-stainer
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Age: 36
Spouse Name: Sarah Forst (Frost), widow - Laundress
Spouse Age: 38
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 14 Nov 1874
Parish: St Bartholomew, Moor Lane
Borough: City of London
Father Name: James Dowling (Deceased) - General Dealer
Spouse Father Name: Henry Benett - Coachman
Register Type: Parish Register

Address for both looks like 24 Mitton Street (or could be Witton, Wilton, Milton ......)

Witnesses: Thomas Dowling and Ann Williams.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 24 Nov 2012 13:02

I think the John Frost born 1869 on the 1871 census may well be the John Dowling b 1870 on the 1881 census.

Dea

Dea Report 24 Nov 2012 13:04

I think you could well be right MC.

Dea Xxx

Peter

Peter Report 24 Nov 2012 13:13

This is going to need a cup of coffee and lots of concentraion to work this one out.

Thank you ladies for your help but if you have any theories let me know.

Peter

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 24 Nov 2012 13:17

Well Peter, my theory is that John Dowling the paper-stainer was living with Sarah Frost for some time (as per the 1871) and they had John Frost in 1869. John Frost later started to use his father's surname of Dowling.

Dea

Dea Report 24 Nov 2012 13:17

Just go off and digest it all then come back with any questions you may have.

I am off to listen to a thrilling murder play - see you later.

Dea Xxx

Peter

Peter Report 24 Nov 2012 13:24

Found this marriage.

Marriages Dec 1856 (>99%)
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Bennett Sarah Clerkenwell 1b 652
Frost William Clerkenwell 1b 652

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I am thinking along the same lines MC.

Enjoy your play Dea

Flip

Flip Report 24 Nov 2012 13:30

Sarah's first marriage (father Henry, coachman on image)

Sarah Bennett
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Age: 24
Spouse Name: William Frost (bootmaker)
Spouse Age: 26
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 21 Oct 1856
Parish: Clerkenwell St James
Borough: Islington
Spouse Father Name: Benjamin Frost
Register Type: Parish Register

She was from 14 North Street, him from 17 North St

Peter

Peter Report 24 Nov 2012 13:31

Looks like you were correct

Births Sep 1869 (>99%)
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Dowling John Dowling St. Giles 1b 499
Frost John Dowling St. Giles 1b 499