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Valerie
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2 Dec 2012 15:56 |
Could someone please help me to investigate this area . Looking into the fact I was told I was christened in this area. Valerie Birkett born 1950 ?
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2 Dec 2012 16:09 |
Burgh by sands is in the Carlisle registration district, but not seeing a birth for you - where were you actually born and when?
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LondonBelle
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2 Dec 2012 16:31 |
If you Google Burgh by Sands there is plenty of info about the place.
What is it that you wish to find out?
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2 Dec 2012 16:34 |
OK, I work in Carlisle - will take a look at the parish register next week.
Valerie, remove your exact dob - not recommended on a open site - and I have a note of it!
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Valerie
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2 Dec 2012 16:34 |
Dear Londonbelle ,I would like to know which Church I was Christened in & when. Thankyou
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Gee
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2 Dec 2012 16:38 |
Is this your grandmother?
Marriages Dec 1898 --------------------------------------------------- Birkett John Carlisle 10b 877 Fiddler Eliza Carlisle 10b 877 Graham Richard Henry Carlisle 10b 877 STORDY Fanny Carlisle 10b 877
1901 England Census about Eliza Birkett Name: Eliza Birkett Age: 28 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: John Birkett Gender: Female Where born: Burgh, Cumberland, England Civil parish: Burgh Ecclesiastical parish: Burgh St Michael County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Registration district: Carlisle Sub-registration district: Burgh ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 97 Piece: 4871 Folio: 36 Page Number: 12 Household Members: Name Age John Birkett 26 Eliza Birkett 28 John Birkett 2
1911 England Census about John Birkett Name: John Birkett Age in 1911: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Beaumont, Cumberland, England Civil parish: Burgh by Sands County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Street Address: Burgh By Sands Marital Status: Married Occupation: Tangard Labourer Registration district: Carlisle Registration District Number: 574 Sub-registration district: Burgh ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Piece: 31350 Household Members: Name Age John Birkett 35 Eliza Birkett 33 John Birkett 12 Ann Birkett 8 William Birkett 5 Mary Birkett 3 Edward Birkett 1
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Valerie
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2 Dec 2012 16:40 |
Dear Filip. Thank you so much for your advice & help. Will look forward to hearing from you next week. Take care ,cold weather ! Valerie.
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Gee
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2 Dec 2012 16:47 |
England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006 Name: Eliza Birkett Birth Date: abt 1879 Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1957 Age at Death: 78 Registration district: Carlisle Inferred County: Cumberland Volume: 1a Page: 23
So, your grandmother would have been getting on in terms of age. Maybe she couldnt travel and wanted you baptised close to where she lived.
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Valerie
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2 Dec 2012 16:50 |
Yes Gins this looks like my Grandmother & Grandfather Thank you so much for all the info.. looks like Church could be St Michael ,Burgh. Thank you , this can be checked.
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Valerie
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2 Dec 2012 16:53 |
Interesting observation Gins. Know she was a strong minded lady . Valerie
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Flip
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2 Dec 2012 16:53 |
Valerie, you didn't need to delete your post, you could have clicked on edit and just taken out your dob. Think there is only one church in Burgh, but I'll let you know and PM the image if I can find it.
Anyway, they are quite insular in that area, so will also take a look at Gins possible marriage and children as well - Gins were they all born locally?
Keeps me out of the cold!
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Valerie
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2 Dec 2012 16:57 |
To Filip & Gins , :-) :-) :-) Thankyou. .
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Valerie
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2 Dec 2012 16:57 |
To Filip & Gins , :-) :-) :-) Thankyou. .
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Valerie
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2 Dec 2012 17:02 |
Think all the family ancestors were born & Christened in the area . Would love to know more ,dates etc & how far back we can go . Hope it can keep you out the cold ?? Valerie :-)
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Gee
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2 Dec 2012 17:16 |
Flip, children of Eiza and John....births
John: Burgh, Cumberland, England
Ann: Burgh, Cumberland, England
William: Burgh, Cumberland, England
Mary: Burgh, Cumberland, England
Edward: Burgh, Cumberland, England
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Gee
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2 Dec 2012 17:23 |
This looks like your grandfather
1891 England Census about John Birkett Name: John Birkett Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876 Relation: Son Father's Name: William Birkett Mother's Name: Esther Birkett Gender: Male Where born: Beaumont, Cumberland, England Civil parish: Hawkesdale Ecclesiastical parish: Hawkesdale County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Registration district: Carlisle Sub-registration district: Dalston ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4294 Folio: 82 Page Number: 11 Household Members: Name Age William Birkett 50 Esther Birkett 45 Dinah Birkett 21 John Birkett 15 Benjamin Birkett 6 1881 England Census about John Birket Name: John Birket Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876 Relation: Son Father's Name: William Birket Mother's Name: Ester Birket Gender: Male Where born: Beaumont, Cumberland, England Civil parish: Beaumont County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Street Address: Beaumont Education:
Employment status: View image Occupation: Schollar Registration district: Carlisle Sub-registration district: Burgh ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 5162 Folio: 21 Page Number: 5 Household Members: Name Age William Birket 40 <<Farm Servant Ester Birket 35 Dinah Birket 11 Isabella Birket 7 John Birket 5 Joseph Birket
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Valerie
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3 Dec 2012 14:11 |
Gins & Filip thank you a million. :-) Valerie .
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Flip
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3 Dec 2012 18:29 |
OK, bad news I'm not now going to Carlisle this week sorry but I'll get to the RO on Monday or Tuesday next week. Other work committments have taken over I'm afraid.
Now, I was house-bound today so did a bit more research - have you found Freebmd? From 1911 the mmn was recorded so there are later children, including your father:
Births Jun 1912 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Birkett James F Fiddler Carlisle 10b 1182
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Mar 1914 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BIRKETT Elizabeth Fiddler Carlisle 10b 1172
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Jun 1917 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Birkett Margaret Fiddler Carlisle 10b 1025
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Dec 1919 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Birkett Kenneth Fiddler Carlisle 10b 1242 99%) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
And your grandmother: Eliza Fiddler Age: 13 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: John Fiddler Mother's Name: Ann Fiddler Gender: Female Where born: Burgh, Cumberland, England Civil parish: Burgh Ecclesiastical parish: Burgh Town: Burgh County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Carlisle Sub-registration district: Burgh ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4293 Folio: 31 Page Number: 8 Household Members: Name Age John Fiddler 55 (born Thursby) Ann Fiddler 53 Esther Fiddler 15 Eliza Fiddler 13 Edward Fiddler 9 Her parents marriage:
Barnes Andrew Carlisle 10b 608 English Ann Carlisle 10b 608 <<< Fiddler John James Carlisle 10b 608 <<< Lawson Hannah Carlisle 10b 608
I've a bit more John Birketts ancestry, will post up in a little while, but do you already have this ancestry?
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3 Dec 2012 18:49 |
1881 census for the John found by Gins:
John Birket Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876 Relation: Son Father's Name: William Birket Mother's Name: Ester Birket Gender: Male Where born: Beaumont, Cumberland, England Civil parish: Beaumont County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Street Address: Beaumont Education:
Employment status: View image Occupation: Schollar Registration district: Carlisle Sub-registration district: Burgh ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 5162 Folio: 21 Page Number: 5 Household Members: Name Age William Birket 40 b Millom Ester 35 b Weatherall Dinah 11 Isabella 7 John 5 Joseph 11 months
all children born Beaumont -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Baillie George Carlisle 10b 611 Birkett William Carlisle 10b 611 <<< JEFFERSON John Wigton 10b 611 Montague Alice Carlisle 10b 611 TURNBULL Esther Carlisle 10b 611 <<<
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21 Dec 2012 18:00 |
Well, it's taken a while but finally got to the records office this afternoon. I've got a copy of the page for your christening, so I'll scan and PM you either later or in the morning. It was at St Michaels, Burgh.
The marriage of your grandparents John Birkett & Eliza Fiddler on 26/10/1898 in St Michaels would confirm the various info already posted. He was 22, a husbandman of Burgh, father Wiliam Birkett, husbandman. She was 21 of Burgh, father John Fiddler (deceased) coal agent. The witnesses were John & Ester Fiddler.
Their children were all christened at St Michaels, and the address given for all but Ann just statedd Burgh by Sands, hers also stated Station Road:
John Fiddler Birkett, b 23/2/1899 ch 16/4/1899 (father husbandman) Ann b 13/11/1902 ch 18/1/03 William b 12/7/05 ch 20/8/05 Mary b 13/8/07 ch 15/9/07 (father labourer in Tanyard) Edward 26/9/09 - 5/12/09 (husbandman) James Fiddler 19/2/12 - 14/4/12 Elizabeth 1/3/14 - 11/3/14 Margaret 3/4/17 - 15/4/17 Kenneth 16/10/19 - 28/12/19
However, nether John or Eliza were christened at Burgh or Beaumont, and their parents were not married in either of these parishes.
Will PM you later with your christening. Have to take the dogs out now!
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