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Boylan family who moved to Birkenhead 1800s?

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Unknown

Unknown Report 2 Dec 2012 16:42

Hi,

I've only just started to look into my family istory so by all means, tell me if I'm just being stupid.

Firm dates - My Grandad - David Boylan was born in 1929 to (pretty sure) James Spencer Boylan (1997-1960). James was possibly known as Jeremy or Jeremiah.

David had bothers (Edward, William and John J) and a sister (Lily/Lilian). I have possible dates for them.

James Spencer POSSIBLY married Lily/Lillian Gartland (1899-unknown).

Further back thank this, I THINK JAmes's father was a Patrick Boylan, but this is where I get abit confused. There are a lot of Patrick Boylans.

I don't know where JAmes was born. It could have been either in Ireland (there might be some link with County Louth but I may just be getting confused), or it could have been Merseyside (Birkenhead/Lancashire).

This Patrick is the main guy I'm confused on. Pretty sure he was from Ireland but there are so many possible birth dates etc and I don't know what region to look at. I also have two possible wives form him. A Mary Kelly (1834-1878) and a Hannah Crook (1854-1936).

The kids James Spencer Boylan and his siblings (Sarah, Florence M, Mary, Michael (who I have quite a bit of info on), Edward, Stephen Patrick and William) started being born in 1856).

Getting so frustrated with this but it's amazing what you find out! Thanks for any help.

:-D

Ellie

patchem

patchem Report 2 Dec 2012 16:47

Welcome to the boards.

Have you got David Boylan's birth certificate?
If not, it would be best to get it, so you never assume anything.

Added:
For ref:
James S Boylan
Birth Date: abt 1897
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1960
Age at Death: 63
Registration district: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 10a
Page: 34

Mike *

Mike * Report 2 Dec 2012 16:48

Births Mar 1929 -
Boylan David - Gartland - Birkenhead 8a 767
------------------------------------------------


Marriages Mar 1919

Boylan James S -Gartland- Birkenhead 8a 940
Gartland Lily - Boylan- Birkenhead 8a 940


BOYLAN is a very Irish name

patchem

patchem Report 2 Dec 2012 16:50

1911
James Spencer Boylan
Age in 1911: 13 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Relation to Head: Boy Gender: Male
Birth Place: Birkenhead Civil parish: Birkenhead
County/Island: Cheshire Country: England
Street Address: 52 Jackson St Birkenhead Cheshire
Marital Status: Single
Registration district: Birkenhead
Registration District Number: 452 Sub-registration district: Birkenhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Piece: 21961
Hannah Boylan 61 widow Birkenhead
Sarah Ellen Boylan 20
Florence M Boylan 18
James Spencer Boylan 13
Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 21961; ; .

Mike *

Mike * Report 2 Dec 2012 16:50

Births Jun 1897

Boylan James Spencer - Birkenhead 8a 513

patchem

patchem Report 2 Dec 2012 16:54

1901 England Census
Hannah Boylan Age: 47 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Head Gender: Female
Where born: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Birkenhead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul County/Island: Cheshire Country: England
Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Birkenhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Household schedule number: 107
Piece: 3388 Folio: 109 Page Number: 19
Hannah Boylan 47
Sarah Boylan 9
Florence Boylan 7
James Boylan 3
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3388; Folio: 109; Page: 19.

Unknown

Unknown Report 2 Dec 2012 16:57

Wow responses already, cheers!

Well I've not got the certificate but I've got the birth record. It says births in Jan, Feb, March 1929 (family word of mouth reckons his birthday was Jan 31st). The record also says that his mother's maiden name was Gartland.

I've got the record of death for James Spencer in 1960 in Birkenhead as well.

Thank you for the responses.

Yeah I think there are too many Boylans in ireland to make what I'm looking for jump out.

I think it was probably James' father who made the trip over from Ireland, but as I mentioned, I'm really not sure on a birth date, spouse or area where he was from.

Is there a decent way of finding out the records for James' father as I can only find his mother's maiden name from that record sheet?

Thanks again for the help.

Ellie

patchem

patchem Report 2 Dec 2012 16:57

1891 England Census
Hannah Boylan Age: 39 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Patrick Boylan
Gender: Female Where born: Birkenhead
Civil parish: Birkenhead Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Cheshire Country: England
Registration district: Birkenhead Sub-registration district: Birkenhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 25 Piece: 2883 Folio: 123 Page Number: 45
Patrick Boylan 60 general labourer Ireland
Hannah Boylan 39
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2883; Folio: 123; Page: 45; GSU roll: 6097993.

patchem

patchem Report 2 Dec 2012 16:58

The birth and marriage certificates will give you more information...

Mike *

Mike * Report 2 Dec 2012 17:00

From a tree on Anst...

James Spencer Boylan
Birth Apr 1897 in Birkenhead

Death Sep 1960 in Birkenhead, Cheshire, England


Father
Patrick Boylan
Birth abt 1833 in Ireland

Death Apr 1900 in Cheshire, United Kingdom



Mother
Hannah Crook
Birth abt 1854 in Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

Death Mar 1936 in Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

patchem

patchem Report 2 Dec 2012 17:01

? (does not agree with 1891 census)
Deaths Jun 1900
Boylan Patrick 61 Birkenhead 8a 319

?
Marriages Jun 1890
Boylan Patrick Birkenhead 8a 868
Crook Hannah Birkenhead 8a 868

Unknown

Unknown Report 2 Dec 2012 17:05

That might be my tree which is currently based on guesswork? :-S

Londonbelle

Londonbelle Report 2 Dec 2012 17:07

Marriage of Patrick & Hannah?

Marriages Jun 1890
>>>Boylan Patrick Birkenhead 8a 868
>>>Crook Hannah Birkenhead 8a 868
GUTHRIE Jane Birkenhead 8a 868
Tait John Andrew Birkenhead 8a 868

patchem

patchem Report 2 Dec 2012 17:18

If your tree is based on guesswork, you need some certificates.

?
Deaths Mar 1936
Boylan Hannah 82 Birkenhead 8a 792

Added:
(slightly out for age)
?
Births Mar 1856
CROOK Hannah Wirral 8a 408

or had Hannah been married before, and Crook is not her maiden name?

Mike *

Mike * Report 2 Dec 2012 17:26

WHY do people make their tree public if it's only guesswork ?

Unknown

Unknown Report 2 Dec 2012 17:36

Private now, sorry.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 2 Dec 2012 18:47

Ellie, as stated, you really need to get some certificates to get the actual facts. Order from GRO, they cost £9.25.
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/