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thankyou christina lancaster ,prickyholly, jude,jax for all your wonderful help with finding my yoxall tree . I..would very much like help now with my Baitrum family tree ,I have found a rose baitrum born1906 in shoreditch and a florence alice bailheun in the same household can you find out if they are related sisters .rose baitrum think is my mother violet yoxall maiden name baitrum ,violets aunt . Alsoplease could find the ,mother and father of my G /G Grandmother name eliza hester hales born 1869. in shoreditch. thankyou so much . i also have found a marriage to albert george vol 1c page 365 thankyou christine.

may I......?

I..would very much like help now with my Baitrum family tree ,

I have found a rose baitrum born1906 in shoreditch and a florence alice bailheun in the same household

can you find out if they are related sisters .r

ose baitrum think is my mother violet yoxall maiden name baitrum ,violets aunt .

Alsoplease could find the ,mother and father of my G /G Grandmother name eliza hester hales born 1869. in shoreditch.


thankyou so much . i also have found a marriage to albert george vol 1c page 365 thankyou christine.

Just for info:

1911 England Census

Name: Rose Baitrun
Age in 1911: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1906
Relation to Head: Niece
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Shoreditch
Civil parish: Shoreditch
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 7 Little John St, Hoxton N E
Registration district: Shoreditch
Registration District Number: 16
Sub-registration district: Shoreditch South

George James Haynes 42
Alice Haynes 40
Henrietta Alice Haynes 19
George James Haynes 17
Charles Utah Haynes 11
Florence Alice Baitrun 15 neice
Rose Baitrun 5 neice

Florence Alice is Eliza Estha 's daughter, according to bap

Name: Florence Alice Baitrum
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 16 Jun 1895
Father's Name: Albert George Baitrum
Mother's Name: Eliza Estha Baitrum
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hoxton St Saviour
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers

not the same Rose I dont think

Name: Rose Battrum
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 20 Jan 1867
Father's Name: Thomas Battrum
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Battrum
Parish or Poor Law Union: Paddington Holy Trinity
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Parish Registers

You might need birth cert for Rose - I would think it very likely she is Florence's sister though wouldn't you? It's a very unusual name so unlikely to be otherwise!

Name: Rose Baitrum
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1905
Registration district: Shoreditch
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 68

Jan

A private tree on Ancestry has this family - by cross-checking for Rose with parents George and Eliza, she does show up, along with a Maud born 1900. I can't see them on census though.
Jan

1871

Richard Halls 38 - brush maker - Spitalfields, Middlesex
Sarah Hales 30 --Bermondsey, Surrey
Richard Hales 13
Elizabeth Hales 6
James Hales 4
Eliza Hales 2 - Shoreditch, Middlesex,
Thomas Hales 2

Albert is a plumber, don't know if that agrees with anything you know:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Albert George Baitrum
Name: Albert George Baitrum
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Age: 21
Spouse Name: Eliza Hester Hales
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 16 Jan 1888
Parish: Bethnal Green St Thomas
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Friend William Baitrum
Spouse Father Name: Richard Hales
Register Type: Parish Register

I wonder??

Deaths Sep 1907 (>99%)
BAITRUM Eliza 36 Shoreditch 1c 46

Deaths Sep 1910 (>99%)
Baitrum Albert G 41 Shoreditch 1c 54

Jan

1881 - 24 Francis St Shoreditch

Richard Hales 47 - brush maker -- Shoreditch, Middlesex
Sarah Hales 43 - Bermondsey, Middlesex,
Elizabeth Hales 14
Hester Hales 12
George W. Hales 9

`thankyou so much .penny,brummiejan,and mike,I am delighted with the information you have all sent .I am new at this,thankyou so much . If you find out more it would be great. from christine.

Richard Hales
Birth abt 1833 in Spitalfields, Middlesex, England
Death Dec 1897 in London, Middlesex, United Kingdom

A few to choose from I'm afraid .....


Richard Hale
birth: 08 Jun 1832
christening: 01 Jul 1832 SAINT LEONARDS,?SHOREDITCH,?LONDON,?ENGLAND
parents: William Hale,? Maria


Richard Hale
birth: 12 Oct 1832
christening: 04 Nov 1832 SAINT LEONARDS,?SHOREDITCH,?LONDON,?ENGLAND
parents: William Hale,? Esther


Richard Hale
birth: 18 Jan 1833
christening: 08 Feb 1833 SAINT LEONARDS,?SHOREDITCH,?LONDON,?ENGLAND
parents: Richard Hale,? Sarah


Richard Hale
christening: 02 Nov 1834 SAINT MARY,?LAMBETH,?LONDON,?ENGLAND
parents: William Hale,? Louisa Caroline

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