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11 Dec 2012 15:20 |
Alice Ascroft born BC 5/8/1853 in Ince about 1 mile from Wigan Lancs, mother was Mary Ascroft, no father, mark on BC. Know lots about Alice at 18 married 19 old Samuel Heyes 2/9/1872 a stone mason / bricklayer and had many childred and a good life from a very difficult start. Trying to find Mary my GGG parent. Close match 1861 census Mary char woman head 34, James coal miner 10, Alice 7 and William 5 all born Ince apart from Mary born Pemberton opposite side of town 3 mile away. Cannot match anythink else on Mary, James and William. Hope anyone can help. David
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brummiejan
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11 Dec 2012 15:28 |
You must have the right family as Mary is unmarried. This looks like her 1851:
1851 England Census Name: Mary Ascroft Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827 Relation: Daughter Mother's Name: Jane Ascroft Gender: F (Female) Where born: Pemberton, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Pemberton Ecclesiastical parish: Pemberton County/Island: Lancashire
Registration district: Wigan Sub-registration district: Hindley ED, institution, or vessel: 2h
Jane Ascroft 47 Mary Ascroft 24 Elizabeth Ascroft 21 Isaballa Ascroft 18 Esther Ascroft 13 Ann Ascroft 10 Edward Ascroft 3 Mo
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11 Dec 2012 15:33 |
Same family 1841:
1841 England Census
Name: Mary Ashcroft Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831 Gender: Female Where born: Lancashire, England Civil parish: Wigan Hundred: West Derby County/Island: Lancashire Registration district: Wigan Sub-registration district: Pemberton
William Ashcroft 35 Jame Ashcroft 35 Mary Ashcroft 10 Betty Ashcroft 14 Isabel Ashcroft 8 Hester Ashcroft 3 Ann Ashcroft 7
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Kucinta
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11 Dec 2012 15:35 |
Pemberton is extremely close to Wigan.
name: Mary Ascroft gender: Female baptism/christening date: 12 Aug 1826 baptism/christening place: WIGAN,LANCASHIRE,ENGLAND birth date: 13 Jun 1826 birthplace: death date: name note: race: father's name: William Ascroft father's birthplace: father's age: mother's name: Jane mother's birthplace: mother's age: indexing project (batch) number: C00556-8 system origin: England-ODM source film number: 94032 reference number:
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brummiejan
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11 Dec 2012 15:38 |
Here they are in Ince 1871, which supports this being the same family as yours I think:
1871 England Census Name: Mary Ashcroft Age: 43 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Pemberton, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Ince in Makerfield Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch Town: Ince in Makerfield County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Wigan Sub-registration district: Hindley
Mary Ashcroft 43 James Ashcroft 20 William Ashcroft 15 Ellen Ashcroft 8
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11 Dec 2012 15:39 |
two possible marriages, don't know if it's the same groom or two different men:
groom's name: William Ascroft groom's birth date: groom's birthplace: groom's age: bride's name: Jane Fishwick bride's birth date: bride's birthplace: bride's age: marriage date: 01 Feb 1824 marriage place: Wigan, Lancaster Co., England groom's father's name: groom's mother's name: bride's father's name: bride's mother's name: groom's race: groom's marital status: groom's previous wife's name: bride's race: bride's marital status: bride's previous husband's name: indexing project (batch) number: M01355-2 system origin: England-EASy source film number: 1469053
groom's name: William Ascroft groom's birth date: groom's birthplace: groom's age: bride's name: Jane Rigby bride's birth date: bride's birthplace: bride's age: marriage date: 22 Apr 1821 marriage place: Parish Of Wigan, Lancashire, England groom's father's name: groom's mother's name: bride's father's name: bride's mother's name: groom's race: groom's marital status: groom's previous wife's name: bride's race: bride's marital status: bride's previous husband's name: indexing project (batch) number: M00807-0 system origin: England-EASy source film number: 1885691 reference number: p 110 cn 332
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brummiejan
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11 Dec 2012 15:39 |
Do the witnesses on the marriage cert hold any clues? Though I would think it highly likely you have found the right family. Jan
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ErikaH
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11 Dec 2012 15:40 |
Baptisms: 12 Aug 1826 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England Mary Ascroft - 1 Daur. of William Ascroft & Jane Born: 13 Jun Abode: Orrell Occupation: Miner Baptised by: Edwd. Hill Curate Register: Baptisms 1825 - 1827, Page 168, Entry 1337 Source: LDS Film 1885677
Baptisms: 2 Jan 1830 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England Elizabeth Ascroft - 3 Daur. of William Ascroft & Jane Born: 1 Nov 1829 Abode: Orrell Occupation: Miner Baptised by: J. Bromilow Curate Register: Baptisms 1827 - 1830, Page 229, Entry 1826 Source: LDS Film 1885677
Baptisms: 7 Apr 1833 St John the Divine, Pemberton, Lancashire, England Isabella Ascroft - 4th Daur of William Ascroft & Jane Born: 14 Jan 1833 Abode: Pemberton Occupation: Miner Baptised by: J Paley Register: Baptisms 1832 - 1860, Page 5, Entry 34 Source: LDS Film 1885635
Baptisms: 12 Sep 1835 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England Esther Ascroft - 5 Daur. of William Ascroft & Jane Born: 23 Jul Abode: Orrell Occupation: Miner Baptised by: J. K. Glazebrook Register: Baptisms 1833 - 1836, Page 527, Entry 1822 Source: LDS Film 1885678
Baptisms: 3 Jan 1841 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England Ann Ascroft - 6th. Daur. of William Ascroft & Jane Born: 30 Sep 1840 Abode: Pemberton Occupation: Collier Baptised by: J. R. Birch Register: Baptisms 1838 - 1842, Page 221, Entry 1761 Source: LDS Film 1885679
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Kucinta
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11 Dec 2012 15:44 |
Second marriage doesn't mention whether he was a widower or not.
Marriage: 22 Apr 1821 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England William Ascroft - (X), of Wigan Parish Jane Rigby - (X), of Wigan Parish Witness: James Boyd; Saml. Vizard Married by Banns by: Edwd. Hill, Curate Register: Marriages 1820 - 1824, Page 110, Entry 332 Source: LDS film 1885691
Marriage: 1 Feb 1824 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England William Ascroft - (X), of Wigan Parish Jane Fishwick - (X), of Wigan Parish Witness: Samuel Hickox; Saml. Vizard Married by Banns by: Edwd. Hill, Curate Register: Marriages 1820 - 1824, Page 434, Entry 1307 Source: LDS film 1885691
William Ascroft seems a common name in Wigan, there was a marriage of a William Ascroft to Ellen Hodson in 1823, and William Ascroft to Ellen Pilkington in 1824, both at All Saints Wigan.
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ErikaH
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11 Dec 2012 15:44 |
Marriage: 22 Apr 1821 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England William Ascroft - (X), of Wigan Parish Jane Rigby - (X), of Wigan Parish Witness: James Boyd; Saml. Vizard Married by Banns by: Edwd. Hill, Curate Register: Marriages 1820 - 1824, Page 110, Entry 332 Source: LDS film 1885691
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Marriage: 1 Feb 1824 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England William Ascroft - (X), of Wigan Parish Jane Fishwick - (X), of Wigan Parish Witness: Samuel Hickox; Saml. Vizard Married by Banns by: Edwd. Hill, Curate Register: Marriages 1820 - 1824, Page 434, Entry 1307 Source: LDS film 1885691
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David
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11 Dec 2012 16:10 |
Really fantastic, cannot believe so much information and a picture will spend days studying it.. Cannot wait to show information to my Aunty Mary my last relative from previous generation who remembers Sam and Alice but did not know Mary. First time ever used a message board Thank you so much.
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Kucinta
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11 Dec 2012 16:43 |
Did Mary finally marry?
EATOCK Richard ASCROFT Mary 1872 Wigan, Register Office or Registrar Attended Wigan & Leigh Lancashire ROW/32/191 N/A
Marriages Jun 1872 >>>Ascroft Mary Wigan 8c 119 Ashcroft Alice Wigan 8c 119 >>>Eatock Richard Wigan 8c 119 GASKELL James Wigan 8c 119
Census 1881
Note Ellen 'Eatock' is same age as Ellen Ascroft would be (see 1871 census Jan posted earlier). Mary might have been economical with her age so as not to appear older than her husband:
Address: 22, Can Row, Ince In Makerfield County: Lancashire
EATOCK, Richard Head Married M 50 1831 Coal Miner Ince, Lancashire EATOCK, Mary Wife Married F 50 1831 Coal Miner Wife Pemberton, Lancashire<<<<<<< EATOCK, Ellen Daughter Single F 18 1863 Mule Spinner Cotton Mill Ince, Lancashire<<<<<<<< EATOCK, John Lodger Single M 39 1842 Coal Miner Ince, Lancashire
Richard was still single in 1871, and it looks like John Eatock the lodger in 1881 was his younger brother.
Census 1871:
Address: Amberswood Common, Ince In Makerfield County: Lancashire
EATOCK, Elizabeth Head F 67 1804 Lancashire EATOCK, Richard Son M 41 1830 Lancashire<<<<< EATOCK, Richard Son M 35 1836 Lancashire EATOCK, John Son M 29 1842 Lancashire<<<<<< EATOCK, Samuel Son M 21 1850 Lancashire
The sons are all coal miners, born Ince in Makerfield, and the second 'Richard' is actually Nicholas on the census image.
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11 Dec 2012 17:09 |
Looks like Mary died between 1891 and 1901
Census 1891
Address: 22, Can Row, Ince In Makerfield County: Lancashire
EATOCK, Richard Head Married M 60 1831 Collier Ince-In-Makerfield, Lancashire EATOCK, Mary Wife Married F 60 1831 Ince-In-Makerfield, Lancashire<<< EATOCK, Richard Grandson M 8 1883 Ince-In-Makerfield, Lancashire EATOCK, John Boarder Single M 50 1841 Collier Ince-In-Makerfield, Lancashire
Census 1901:
Address: 22, Can Row Baron's Terrace, Ince In Makerfield County: Lancashire
EATOCK, Richard Head Widower M 70 1831 Retired Coal Hewer (Knocker Up) Ince, Lancashire EATOCK, John Brother Single M 56 1845 Retired Coal Hewer Under Ground Ince, Lancashire BARNES, Peter Grand Son Single M 12 1889 Wigan, Lancashire
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11 Dec 2012 17:13 |
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Deaths Mar 1899 Eatock Mary 67 Wigan 8c 48
Age is a little out, but she is consistently a few years younger than her actual age in censuses once she is married.
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11 Dec 2012 17:44 |
Another link between Mary Ascroft and Richard Eatock.
In census 1901 above, widowed Richard Eatock has grandson Peter Barnes born c1889 Ince living with him.
Peter appears to be the son of Hugh and Ellen Barnes in census 1891.
Address: 100, Scholefield Lane, Wigan County: Lancashire
BARNES, Hugh Head Married M 28 1863 Cotton Spinner Wigan, Lancashire BARNES, Ellen Wife Married F 28 1863 Ince, Lancashire<<<<<<<< BARNES, Peter Son Single M 2 1889 Wigan, Lancashire<<<<<< BARNES, Mary E Daughter Single F 0 (2M) 1891 Wigan, Lancashire
Ellen appears likely to be Ellen Ascroft, daughter of Mary and sister to Alice
Marriages Mar 1887 >>>ASHCROFT Ellen Wigan 8c 53 >>>BARNES Hugh Wigan 8c 53 Harding James Wigan 8c 53 Peak Charlotte Wigan 8c 53
Lancs BMDS:
ASHCROFT Ellen BARNES Hugh 1887 Christ Church, Ince Wigan & Leigh Lancashire C19/4/162
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Kucinta
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11 Dec 2012 18:05 |
Looks like Mary's parents were William Ascroft and Jane Fishwick, the later of the marriages I (and also Reggie) posted earlier.
One of Mary's siblings in census 1841 and 1851 as previously posted by Jan was Hester/Esther, aged 3 in 1841, 13 in 1851.
Lancashire BMDs have Esther's mother as [Jane] FISHWICK, not RIGBY.
Birth Indexes
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Region Reference ASHCROFT Esther FISHWICK 1837 Pemberton Wigan & Leigh Lancashire PEM/1/48 N/A
Also Ann Ascroft aged 10 from census 1851:
ASHCROFT Ann FISHWICK 1840 Pemberton Wigan & Leigh Lancashire PEM/2/245 N/A
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David
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11 Dec 2012 20:26 |
Thanks so much for solving the life of Mary Ascroft what a special GGG parent she turned out to be with so many problems. Wrongly recorded name of Ashcroft threw me in 1871 and 1851 and Mary spelt Marey Will resarch all other information provided
Thank you David
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