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Thomas Walter Thomas Married Alethea Pugh in 1919

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Rebecca Report 26 Dec 2012 22:01

Hi I am looking for information regarding my ancester Thomas Walter Thomas.
I do not know a DOB for DOD, I only have that he married Alethea Pugh in 1919, he was originally from Swansea area. I have found him in the Marriage Records.

I am stuck where to look now as its a bit of a common name. If anyone has any tips i would be very grateful. Have asked the family only info I got was they think he had about 8 siblings and I know he died between 1970 (as I have picture dated then) & 1982 ish (when my parents met) But dont know where.

Thanks in advance.


Kucinta Report 26 Dec 2012 22:06

You should get the marriage cert, which should give name and occupation of fathers of the bride and groom, also ages of the bride and groom to narrow things down a bit..

£9.25 per cert


Kucinta Report 26 Dec 2012 22:10

A couple of possibilities:

Name: Thomas Walter Thomas
Birth Date: 25 Mar 1893
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1973
Age at Death: 80
Registration district: Hay
Inferred County: Breconshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 295

Name: Thomas Walter Thomas
Birth Date: 1897
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1973
Age at Death: 76
Registration district: Wandsworth
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5e
Page: 1826


Kucinta Report 26 Dec 2012 22:12

Name: Alethea Thomas
Birth Date: 16 Aug 1896
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1978
Age at Death: 82
Registration district: Shrewsbury
Inferred County: Shropshire
Volume: 30
Page: 0401


MarieCeleste Report 26 Dec 2012 22:31

Hello Rebecca, if he's your ancestor then which one of his children are you descended from? That would help us work back.


Kucinta Report 26 Dec 2012 22:34

Two public trees on Ancestry have the 1973 death I posted earlier for Thomas, and a 1954 death for Alethea, which I can't find .

Only one of the trees has parents for Thomas, namely David and Sarah.

They have this as the family, but I can't see any Swansea connection.

Census 1911

9 children born and all living.

Address: Castell Dolwlf Llanybyther Carmarthen Shire
County: Cardiganshire

THOMAS, David Head Married M 44 1867 Butcher Llanwnen Cardiganshire
THOMAS, Sarah Wife Married 18 years F 39 1872 Nantcwnlle Cardiganshire
THOMAS, Tom Walter Son Single M 18 1893 Assisting In The Business Gartheli Cardiganshire
THOMAS, John Son Single M 15 1896 Assisting In The Business Llanwenog Cardiganshire
THOMAS, Martha Anne Daughter F 10 1901 School Llanwenog Cardiganshire
THOMAS, Jenkin Evan Son M 8 1903 School Llanwenog Cardiganshire
THOMAS, David Beynon Son M 6 1905 School Llanwenog Cardiganshire
THOMAS, Daniel Jacob Son Single M 4 1907 School Llanwenog Cardiganshire
THOMAS, Ivor Merles Son M 2 1909 Llanwenog Cardiganshire
THOMAS, William Tudor Son M 1 1910 Llanwenog Cardiganshire
THOMAS, Mary Gwenllian Daughter F 0 (4 MONTHS) 1911 Llanwenog Cardiganshire

I think you really do need the marriage cert, to find out Thomas Walter Thomas's age, and the name and occupation of his father - as you say, we are dealing with a very common name and it would be easy to go down the wrong route.


Rebecca Report 26 Dec 2012 23:17

Hi I have just been looking at the info Kucinta posted in the first reply, This seems to be best match but not sure, his wife Alethea died 1978 in Shrewsbury.

I did not know marriage certs hold that info may order that.

Thomas & Alethea had 6 children, Alethea S (Lul), David Edward (Eddie), Annie Ruby (Ruby), John W (Jack), Elizabeth M (Betty) & Thomas Evan (Tommy) between 1919 - 1934
Tommy was my Grandfather, he passed away 11 years ago and some of the others have recently gone with the others not well and memory gone.
I know I sould have got the details earlier, may ask the children if they can remember anything from the info I have but when I asked they didnt know much.


AnnCardiff Report 27 Dec 2012 03:20


Alathea Pugh
England and Wales Census, 1901
birth: 1897 Old Radnor,? Radnorshire
census: 31 Mar 1901 Old Radnor And Burlingjobb (Radnor),? Herefordshire,? Wales

name: Alathea Pugh
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Female
age: 4
relationship to head of household: Daughter
birthplace: Old Radnor, Radnorshire
record type: Household
registration district: Kington
sub-district: Radnor
ecclesiastical parish: Old Radnor
civil parish: Old Radnor And Burlingjobb (Radnor)
county: Herefordshire


Kucinta Report 27 Dec 2012 11:32

Marriage certs in England and Wales usually have the name and occupation of both fathers, but not invariably. Sometimes they get missed off, for various reasons, they may not be known if either the bride or groom were born out of wedlock, family estrangment etc. If the father is deceased he may simply be marked as such, and his former occupation not given. So you might be unlucky

However with the abundance of Thomas Walter Thomases you have to chose from, I think it's virtually a necessary investment.

Armed with the information it gives you, you/we can then go back to the FreeBMD and census material to see what we can find that tallies.

How sure are you of the Swansea link? There are a couple of Thomas Walter Thomases born in Swansea on FreeBMD, one in 1890, and a Thomas Walters 1898, but the ages don't fit with the possible 1973 death.


Rebecca Report 27 Dec 2012 19:38

Thank you so much for the help, going to look into it a bit more and may order the marriage cert,

Will let you know how I get on.