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Hi all please may I ask for some assistance tracking down information on my 2x Great Grandfather Edward Stone?

I believe his father may have been Charles Stone (1816c) as they both lived at 177-178 Mousehole Lane, Millbrook, Southampton.

He was born 1845c in Winchester and died prior to the 1911 census in Shirley. In the 1911 census his wife Alice Stone was still alive as a widow with three (of five) daughters still living at 64 Pound Street, Shirley, Southampton.

Using the census results there was approximately 12-13 years between Edward & Alice. So I believe Alice to be born approximately 1858c.

He had five daughters all born in Southampton: Bessie Stone (c1879), Mary Stone (c1883), Ethel Stone (c1889), Caroline/Carrie Stone (c1895) and Rose Stone (c1901). Caroline Stone being my great grandmother.

I searched for a marriage record on Genes in the 1870’s before their first born and it returned a result for December 1874 in Shirley, Southampton. It said Edward married either a Sarah Jane Mills, Alice Gale or Edmund Powell. I checked this against familysearch.org and it gave the following results:

Alice Gale born 1853 married Edmund Powell 26/12/1874 - Parent Edward Gale
Edward William Stone born 1844 married Sarah Jane Mills 27/12/2012 - Parent Charles Stone
Is it possible familysearch.org just has a typo? All the names, age differences and Edwards’s father all seem to be very coincidental?

The only other marriage I can find is Edward Stone & Alice Stone - 7 Aug 1879 St. John's, Portland, Dorset, England but there are no other details.

Going back to my great grandmother Caroline Stone I have ordered what I believe to be her birth and death certificates:
1895 Mar S. Stoneham 2c 78
1950 Mar Southampton 6b 679

Thank you all in advance.

Kind Regards

David
:-)

Edward William Stone
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 29 Sep 1844 St. Thomas,? Winchester,? Hampshire,? England
residence: Hampshire,? England
parents: Charles Stone,? Mary Anne Stone


name: Edward William Stone
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 29 Sep 1844
baptism/christening place: St. Thomas, Winchester, Hampshire, England
father's name: Charles Stone
mother's name: Mary Anne Stone
indexing project (batch) number: I04099-8
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1596406

Edward Stone
England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1845 Winchester,? Hampshire,? England
census: 1881 Millbrook,? Hampshire,? England


name: Edward Stone
age: 36
gender: Male
birth year: 1845
birthplace: Winchester, Hampshire, England
relationship to head of household: Lodger Head
marital condition: Married
profession/occupation: Gen Lab
address: 108 Pound St
census place: Millbrook, Hampshire, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341299
the national archives reference: RG11
piece/folio: 1221 / 73
page number: 25

Edward Stone
England and Wales Census, 1861
birth: 1845 Winchester,? Hampshire
census: 1861 Millbrook,? Hampshire,? England


name: Edward Stone
event: Census
event date: 1861
gender: Male
age: 16
relationship to head of household: Son
birthplace: Winchester, Hampshire
record type: Household
registration district: South Stoneham
sub-district: 3 Millbrook
ecclesiastical parish: Shirley
civil parish: Millbrook
county: Hampshire

Edward Stone
England and Wales Census, 1901
birth: 1845 Winchester
census: 31 Mar 1901 Shirley,? Hampshire,? England


name: Edward Stone
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Male
age: 56
relationship to head of household: Head
birthplace: Winchester
record type: Household
registration district: South Stoneham
sub-district: Millbrook
ecclesiastical parish: Shirley St James
civil parish: Shirley
county: Hampshire

Mathilda Stone
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 07 Nov 1841 St. Thomas,? Winchester,? Hampshire,? England
residence: Hampshire,? England
parents: Charles Stone,? Mary Ann Stone


name: Mathilda Stone
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 07 Nov 1841
baptism/christening place: St. Thomas, Winchester, Hampshire, England
father's name: Charles Stone
mother's name: Mary Ann Stone
indexing project (batch) number: I04099-8
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1596406

Harry Stone
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 29 Dec 1847 St. Thomas,? Winchester,? Hampshire,? England
residence: Hampshire,? England
parents: Charles Stone,? Mary Ann Stone


name: Harry Stone
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 29 Dec 1847
baptism/christening place: St. Thomas, Winchester, Hampshire, England
father's name: Charles Stone
mother's name: Mary Ann Stone
indexing project (batch) number: I04099-8
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1596406

Alfred Stone
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 29 Dec 1847 St. Thomas,? Winchester,? Hampshire,? England
residence: Hampshire,? England
parents: Charles Stone,? Mary Ann Stone


name: Alfred Stone
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 29 Dec 1847
baptism/christening place: St. Thomas, Winchester, Hampshire, England
father's name: Charles Stone
mother's name: Mary Ann Stone
indexing project (batch) number: I04099-8
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1596406

think I'm hallucinating - wasn't your photograph your avatar when I opened this thread? :-D :-S

1881 census transcription details for: 108, Pound St, Millbrook
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 1221
Folio: 73
Page: 25
Reg. District: South Stoneham
Sub District: Millbrook
Parish: Millbrook
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 108, Pound St, Millbrook
County: Hampshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
GRITT, James Head Married M 42 1839 Brick Lab
Eling Netley, Hampshire
GRITT, Kate Wife Married F 48 1833
Basset
STONE, Edward Lodger Head Married M 36 1845 Gen Lab
Winchester, Hampshire
>>STONE, Sarah Jane Wife Married F 31 1850
Bridport, Dorset
STONE, Bessie Emily Daughter Single F 2 1879
Shirley, Hampshire


1891 census transcription details for: 28, Russell Terrace, Millbrook, Freemantle
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 928
Folio: 69
Page: 10
Reg. District: South Stoneham
Sub District: Millbrook
Parish: Millbrook
Enum. District: 11
Ecclesiastical District: Christchurch Freemantle
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 28, Russell Terrace, Millbrook, Freemantle
County: Hampshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
STONE, Edward Head Married M 46 1845 General Labourer
Winchester, Hampshire
>>STONE, Alice Rose Wife Married F 31 1860
Marchwood, Hampshire
STONE, Bessie Daughter F 12 1879 Scholar
Shirley, Hampshire
STONE, Mary Daughter F 5 1886
Freemantle, Hampshire
STONE, Ethel Daughter F 2 1889
Freemantle, Hampshire



So Sarah probably died sometime inbetween.


1901 census transcription details for: 64, Pound Street, Shirley
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 1073
Folio: 18
Page: 27
Reg. District: South Stoneham
Sub District: Millbrook
Parish: Shirley
Enum. District: 12
Ecclesiastical District: Shirley St James
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 64, Pound Street, Shirley
County: Hampshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
STONE, Edward Head Married M 56 1845 Bricklayers Labourer
Winchester
STONE, Alice Wife F 43 1858
Marchwood, Hampshire
STONE, Ethel Daughter F 12 1889
Freemantle Soton
STONE, Carrie Daughter F 8 1893
Freemantle
STONE, Rose Daughter F 0 (8 MOS) 1901
Freemantle


1911 census transcription details for: 64 Pound Street Shirley Southampton
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National Archive Reference:

RG14PN5995 RG78PN274 RD99 SD2 ED7 SN208
Reg. District: Southampton
Sub District: Southampton Western
Parish: Shirley
Enum. District: 7
Address: 64 Pound Street Shirley Southampton
County: Hampshire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
STONE, Alice Head Widow F 52 1859 Not Any Shirley Hampshire
STONE, Caroline Daughter Singel F 17 1894 Shirley Hampshire
STONE, Rose Daughter Singel F 12 1899 Shirley Hampshire
CHANDLER, Percy Son In Law Married M 36 1875 French Polisher Shirley Hampshire
CHANDLER, Mary Daughter Married
4 years F 22 1889 Shirley Hampshire
CHANDLER, Helen Daughter F 3 1908 Shirley Hampshire


Under Years Married, 23 has been written and scored out. 8 children had been born but only 3 were still living had also been scored out.

Thank you Ann, your information confirms my suspicions that he was Edward William Stone. His grandson Edward John Stone had noted down his name was Edward John Stone and that he was in the Kings Royal Rifle Corps??

It would mean his mum is also likely to be Mary Ann Ligh/Light which I had noted down somewhere. Now to find out Edwards wife’s maiden name. I’m hoping it’s just a typo and I have found the correct marriage record.

Any more help would be much appreciated.
:-)

this looks good as it has the full name - Edward William Stone

Charle Henry Stone
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 03 Oct 1875 SHIRLEY BY SOUTHAMPTON,?HAMPSHIRE,?ENGLAND
parents: Edward William Stone,? Sarah Jane


name: Charle Henry Stone
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 03 Oct 1875
baptism/christening place: SHIRLEY BY SOUTHAMPTON,HAMPSHIRE,ENGLAND
father's name: Edward William Stone
mother's name: Sarah Jane
indexing project (batch) number: C13758-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 1041745

Thank you alviegal, now im wondering if he married Sarah Jane Mills had Bessie Stone and then re-married a Alice??? - very confused.

??
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Sarah Jane Stone
Name: Sarah Jane Stone
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1881
Age at Death: 31
Registration district: South Stoneham
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 42

Thank you both for your help, it's looking very possible that he remarried.
Sarah Jane would have died when Bessie was aged just three. Would it be plausible that he re-married and had a another child with a Alice in just under a year though?

There was another Edward Stone, born Portland, Dorset, 1850 who married an Alice, so that is possibly the marriage that you found.

The only other marriage I can find is Edward Stone & Alice Stone - 7 Aug 1879 St. John's, Portland, Dorset, England but there are no other details.


Maybe your Edward and Alice did not marry. I think you need to wait until you receive Caroline's birth certificate.

Thank you once again.

I believe they were married as Alice Stone was on my grandfathers (Caroline Stone's son) birth certificate. Also it stated married/widowed in each census and mentioned Edward was from Winchester and Alice was from Marchwood.

The certificates should be delivered imminently however I assume they have been held up due to the christmas post.

I did feel it was unusual he was still having kids at 56 but if he had re-married this would make more sense.

Thanks

David

Deaths Sep 1881 Stone Sarah Jane 31 S.Stoneham 2c 42

Hi all thank you for your help.

I have received Caroline deaths certificate today which has my grandfather Ronald Stone as the informant. It would put her birth as 1894 but the shocker is her name is listed as Carrie Waterhouse otherwise Caroline Stone.

I have put a link below to a scan of the certificate:
http://oi48.tinypic.com/5xlm3s.jpg

Of course the birth certificate I ordered is the incorrect one, but I can’t find a Caroline Stone or Carrie Waterhouse born in 1894. There is however a Caroline Stone born in 1892?

I also can’t find a marriage certificate, and everyone in the family is certain she never married. In the census records she is only referred to as Carrie in the 1901 census but as Carrie Stone. Is it possible she was adopted?

Thanks
:-)

Would this not be her birth?


Civil Registration event: Birth
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Name: STONE, Caroline
Registration district: South Stoneham
County: Hampshire
Year of registration: 1892
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 2C
Page no: 73


or maybe


Civil Registration event: Birth
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Name: STONE, Caroline Alice
Registration district: South Stoneham
County: Hampshire
Year of registration: 1895
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 2C
Page no: 78

Which one did you order?


Perhaps she was known as Carrie Waterhouse in later life. Did she live with a Mr Waterhouse possibly? Or maybe she had another reason to have an alias.

This seems to be the death of the second one.

Civil Registration event: Death
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Name: STONE, Caroline Alice
Registration district: South Stoneham
County: Hampshire
Year of registration: 1896
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at death: 1
Volume no: 2C
Page no: 39

Thank you Alviegal I ordered the 1895 certificate as it seemed to be the closest match in age, and as her mother was Alice it seemed to match. I shall order the 1892 one however it would mean her age on her death certificate and the census results would be incorrect?

Also I checked with my Nan regarding Waterhouse and she seems to remember she had a boyfriend in her later years which may have been called Arthur Waterhouse. When the 1941 census gets released I will hopefully know!

I hope you're prepared for a long wait David! 1941 won't be released until 2041.
:-D :-D

There wasn't a census in 1941 due to WW2.


There was, however, the National Identity Card in 1939. Details from these are available now (for a fee of £42) relating to individuals who have died.


Basic facts about the 1939 National Identity Card

Taken on the night of Friday 29th September 1939.

Details recorded for each person were:

Residence
Name
Sex
Date of birth
Marital status
Occupation
If member of armed forces or reserves


http://www.1911census.org.uk/1939.htm