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Edward Stone 1845 Winchester/Hampshire

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David

David Report 28 Jan 2013 23:16

Thank you Ozibird, but i'm not quite sure if it is?

In the 1891 census she reveals her name as Alice Rose, and the Alice you have identified is Alice Louisa Boyce, Jul-Aug-Sep 1855, South Stoneham.

Alice Rose Stone (nee boyce) youngest daughter was also named Rose, which would lead me to believe her middle name was Rose.

In each census she revealed her birth location as Marchwood which I beleive would come under the New Forest?

However the Alice you have indentified would be living in the same area, same age etc. Perhaps it was coincidence or Alice changed her middle name?

Thanks again for your help :-)

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 13 Jan 2013 22:28

??????????

1861 England Census
Name: Alice Boyce
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George Boyce
Mother's Name: Mary Boyce
Gender: Female
Where born: Southampton Millbrook, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Millbrook
Ecclesiastical parish: Shirley
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street Address: 3 Medina Place
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: South Stoneham
Sub-registration district: Millbrook
Piece: 683
Folio: 17
Page Number: 27
Household Members: Name Age
George Boyce 30
Mary Boyce 32
George Boyce 8
Alice Boyce 5
Ellen Boyce 3
Eliza Boyce 8 Months

alviegal

alviegal Report 13 Jan 2013 21:59

Thanks for the update David.

I've also had a look for a marriage but no luck. This is a tough one to crack.

Hope you have more luck with finding Caroline's grave.

Liz x

David

David Report 13 Jan 2013 20:53

Thank you Alviegal & Christina. Just to update I have received the birth certificate of Caroline Stone 1892 and all the details match. Furthermore under surname of mother is says Alice Stone formerly Boyce.

I am still unable to find a marriage record for Edward Stone & Alice Boyce between 1879 and 1883, but I’m glad I finally have a name to put next to her.

I am going to try locate Caroline Stones grave, however if these reveals no more information regarding the Waterhouse saga I may order the 1939 NI record so thank you Christina.

Christina (Lancashire)

Christina (Lancashire) Report 7 Jan 2013 21:57

There wasn't a census in 1941 due to WW2.


There was, however, the National Identity Card in 1939. Details from these are available now (for a fee of £42) relating to individuals who have died.


Basic facts about the 1939 National Identity Card

Taken on the night of Friday 29th September 1939.

Details recorded for each person were:

Residence
Name
Sex
Date of birth
Marital status
Occupation
If member of armed forces or reserves


http://www.1911census.org.uk/1939.htm

alviegal

alviegal Report 7 Jan 2013 13:22

I hope you're prepared for a long wait David! 1941 won't be released until 2041.
:-D :-D

David

David Report 6 Jan 2013 21:38

Also I checked with my Nan regarding Waterhouse and she seems to remember she had a boyfriend in her later years which may have been called Arthur Waterhouse. When the 1941 census gets released I will hopefully know!

David

David Report 6 Jan 2013 21:35

Thank you Alviegal I ordered the 1895 certificate as it seemed to be the closest match in age, and as her mother was Alice it seemed to match. I shall order the 1892 one however it would mean her age on her death certificate and the census results would be incorrect?

alviegal

alviegal Report 2 Jan 2013 00:00

This seems to be the death of the second one.

Civil Registration event: Death
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Name: STONE, Caroline Alice
Registration district: South Stoneham
County: Hampshire
Year of registration: 1896
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at death: 1
Volume no: 2C
Page no: 39

alviegal

alviegal Report 1 Jan 2013 23:53

Would this not be her birth?


Civil Registration event: Birth
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Name: STONE, Caroline
Registration district: South Stoneham
County: Hampshire
Year of registration: 1892
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 2C
Page no: 73


or maybe


Civil Registration event: Birth
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Name: STONE, Caroline Alice
Registration district: South Stoneham
County: Hampshire
Year of registration: 1895
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 2C
Page no: 78

Which one did you order?


Perhaps she was known as Carrie Waterhouse in later life. Did she live with a Mr Waterhouse possibly? Or maybe she had another reason to have an alias.

David

David Report 1 Jan 2013 23:22

Hi all thank you for your help.

I have received Caroline deaths certificate today which has my grandfather Ronald Stone as the informant. It would put her birth as 1894 but the shocker is her name is listed as Carrie Waterhouse otherwise Caroline Stone.

I have put a link below to a scan of the certificate:
http://oi48.tinypic.com/5xlm3s.jpg

Of course the birth certificate I ordered is the incorrect one, but I can’t find a Caroline Stone or Carrie Waterhouse born in 1894. There is however a Caroline Stone born in 1892?

I also can’t find a marriage certificate, and everyone in the family is certain she never married. In the census records she is only referred to as Carrie in the 1901 census but as Carrie Stone. Is it possible she was adopted?

Thanks
:-)

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 27 Dec 2012 02:14

Deaths Sep 1881 Stone Sarah Jane 31 S.Stoneham 2c 42

David

David Report 27 Dec 2012 00:39

Thank you once again.

I believe they were married as Alice Stone was on my grandfathers (Caroline Stone's son) birth certificate. Also it stated married/widowed in each census and mentioned Edward was from Winchester and Alice was from Marchwood.

The certificates should be delivered imminently however I assume they have been held up due to the christmas post.

I did feel it was unusual he was still having kids at 56 but if he had re-married this would make more sense.

Thanks

David

alviegal

alviegal Report 27 Dec 2012 00:20

There was another Edward Stone, born Portland, Dorset, 1850 who married an Alice, so that is possibly the marriage that you found.

The only other marriage I can find is Edward Stone & Alice Stone - 7 Aug 1879 St. John's, Portland, Dorset, England but there are no other details.


Maybe your Edward and Alice did not marry. I think you need to wait until you receive Caroline's birth certificate.

David

David Report 27 Dec 2012 00:11

Thank you both for your help, it's looking very possible that he remarried.
Sarah Jane would have died when Bessie was aged just three. Would it be plausible that he re-married and had a another child with a Alice in just under a year though?

alviegal

alviegal Report 27 Dec 2012 00:01

??
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Sarah Jane Stone
Name: Sarah Jane Stone
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1881
Age at Death: 31
Registration district: South Stoneham
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 42

David

David Report 26 Dec 2012 23:59

Thank you alviegal, now im wondering if he married Sarah Jane Mills had Bessie Stone and then re-married a Alice??? - very confused.

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 26 Dec 2012 23:59

this looks good as it has the full name - Edward William Stone

Charle Henry Stone
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 03 Oct 1875 SHIRLEY BY SOUTHAMPTON,?HAMPSHIRE,?ENGLAND
parents: Edward William Stone,? Sarah Jane


name: Charle Henry Stone
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 03 Oct 1875
baptism/christening place: SHIRLEY BY SOUTHAMPTON,HAMPSHIRE,ENGLAND
father's name: Edward William Stone
mother's name: Sarah Jane
indexing project (batch) number: C13758-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 1041745

David

David Report 26 Dec 2012 23:55

Thank you Ann, your information confirms my suspicions that he was Edward William Stone. His grandson Edward John Stone had noted down his name was Edward John Stone and that he was in the Kings Royal Rifle Corps??

It would mean his mum is also likely to be Mary Ann Ligh/Light which I had noted down somewhere. Now to find out Edwards wife’s maiden name. I’m hoping it’s just a typo and I have found the correct marriage record.

Any more help would be much appreciated.
:-)

alviegal

alviegal Report 26 Dec 2012 23:54

1881 census transcription details for: 108, Pound St, Millbrook
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 1221
Folio: 73
Page: 25
Reg. District: South Stoneham
Sub District: Millbrook
Parish: Millbrook
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 108, Pound St, Millbrook
County: Hampshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
GRITT, James Head Married M 42 1839 Brick Lab
Eling Netley, Hampshire
GRITT, Kate Wife Married F 48 1833
Basset
STONE, Edward Lodger Head Married M 36 1845 Gen Lab
Winchester, Hampshire
>>STONE, Sarah Jane Wife Married F 31 1850
Bridport, Dorset
STONE, Bessie Emily Daughter Single F 2 1879
Shirley, Hampshire


1891 census transcription details for: 28, Russell Terrace, Millbrook, Freemantle
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 928
Folio: 69
Page: 10
Reg. District: South Stoneham
Sub District: Millbrook
Parish: Millbrook
Enum. District: 11
Ecclesiastical District: Christchurch Freemantle
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 28, Russell Terrace, Millbrook, Freemantle
County: Hampshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
STONE, Edward Head Married M 46 1845 General Labourer
Winchester, Hampshire
>>STONE, Alice Rose Wife Married F 31 1860
Marchwood, Hampshire
STONE, Bessie Daughter F 12 1879 Scholar
Shirley, Hampshire
STONE, Mary Daughter F 5 1886
Freemantle, Hampshire
STONE, Ethel Daughter F 2 1889
Freemantle, Hampshire



So Sarah probably died sometime inbetween.


1901 census transcription details for: 64, Pound Street, Shirley
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 1073
Folio: 18
Page: 27
Reg. District: South Stoneham
Sub District: Millbrook
Parish: Shirley
Enum. District: 12
Ecclesiastical District: Shirley St James
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 64, Pound Street, Shirley
County: Hampshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
STONE, Edward Head Married M 56 1845 Bricklayers Labourer
Winchester
STONE, Alice Wife F 43 1858
Marchwood, Hampshire
STONE, Ethel Daughter F 12 1889
Freemantle Soton
STONE, Carrie Daughter F 8 1893
Freemantle
STONE, Rose Daughter F 0 (8 MOS) 1901
Freemantle


1911 census transcription details for: 64 Pound Street Shirley Southampton
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National Archive Reference:

RG14PN5995 RG78PN274 RD99 SD2 ED7 SN208
Reg. District: Southampton
Sub District: Southampton Western
Parish: Shirley
Enum. District: 7
Address: 64 Pound Street Shirley Southampton
County: Hampshire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
STONE, Alice Head Widow F 52 1859 Not Any Shirley Hampshire
STONE, Caroline Daughter Singel F 17 1894 Shirley Hampshire
STONE, Rose Daughter Singel F 12 1899 Shirley Hampshire
CHANDLER, Percy Son In Law Married M 36 1875 French Polisher Shirley Hampshire
CHANDLER, Mary Daughter Married
4 years F 22 1889 Shirley Hampshire
CHANDLER, Helen Daughter F 3 1908 Shirley Hampshire


Under Years Married, 23 has been written and scored out. 8 children had been born but only 3 were still living had also been scored out.