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Amanda
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30 Dec 2012 07:03 |
hi, Catherine & Flip
hope you are both ok?
I arrived at Elizabeth Hart throw the Knox family. Elizabeth Hart married Thomas Thwites knox birth 1864. Thomas was from Stoke-On-Trent . That how l arrived at Elizabeth hart.
P.S sorry for the late repaly :-D
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29 Dec 2012 18:16 |
Normally you get some suggestions from Ancestry, but nothing on any of the family posted in 1881. I'd looked at that other Hannah J and discounted her, although I may be wrong.
Think we need some feedback from Amanda on how she arrived at this family before we can get any further.
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Catherine
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29 Dec 2012 17:31 |
A tree on ancestry has the Hannah J. Hart from the marriage record as follows:-
HANNAH JANE HART Birth JULY 1875 in Sadberge, Darlington, Durham, England ....................so looks to be another Hannah!
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Catherine
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29 Dec 2012 17:07 |
There is a possible marriage for Hannah Jane Hart:-
Marriages Mar 1896 (>99%) Dennis John William L Stockton 10a 90 Dunn Thomas William Stockton 10a 90 Hart Hannah Jane Stockton 10a 90 Lee-Dennis John William Stockton 10a 90 Whitfield Elizabeth Stockton 10a 90 ..............................
Result Year Surname Forename Initial Ref Number Click to contact 1 1896 DENNIS JOHN WL S-AA-65-0-065 Stockton-on-Tees 2 1896 HART HANNAH J S-AA-65-0-065 Stockton-on-Tees
............so maybe they didn't emigrate?? Will have another look.
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29 Dec 2012 16:50 |
You may have something Catherine, I found a Hannah Hart going to US in 1883, but the image is a picture of the ship, not the passenger list! Ancestry can be so annoying at times.
Added: found the right image now, but it's really difficult to read, however although her father is William I don't think it's them. William is only 45 and I think the mother is Hannah
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Catherine
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29 Dec 2012 16:36 |
If the family did emigrate then they could have done so in abt. 1884 if this is Arthur ?:-
Arthur Hart, "United States Census, 1930"
name: Arthur Hart event: Census event date: 1930 event place: Philadelphia (Districts 0501-0750), Philadelphia, Pennsylvania gender: Male age: 49 marital status: Married race: White birthplace: England estimated birth year: 1881 immigration year: 1884 relationship to head of household: Head father's birthplace: England mother's birthplace: England enumeration district number: 0717 family number: 259 sheet number and letter: 15A line number: 5 nara publication: T626, roll 2114 film number: 2341848 digital folder number: 4639451 image number: 00412 Household Gender Age Birthplace head Arthur Hart M 49 England wife Mary Hart F 48 Pennsylvania son George Hart M 20 Pennsylvania daughter Anna Hart F 13 Pennsylvania Citing this Record
"United States Census, 1930," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHW7-BTH : accessed 29 Dec 2012), Arthur Hart, Philadelphia (Districts 0501-0750), Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; citing enumeration district (ED) 0717, sheet 15A, family 259, NARA microfilm publication T626, roll 2114.
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29 Dec 2012 16:27 |
They certainly didn't pull any punches in those old records!! ;-) ;-)
Think that could be him, but maybe some certificates could back this up. Any sign of the family post 1881?
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Amanda
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29 Dec 2012 16:25 |
hi, catherine sorry for the late replay. was busy with the baby. got any plans for new yh?
all this info is amazing. I was looking at the same family in the 1841 cences as well
:-D
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Catherine
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29 Dec 2012 16:23 |
The William in your baptism record would seem to be illegitiamte:-
William Bastard Hart, "Wales, Pembrokeshire, Parish Registers, 1538-1912"
About this collection name: William Bastard Hart event: Baptism event date: 01 Oct 1835 event place: Prendergast, Pembrokeshire, Wales
digital folder number: 004209375 Citing this Record
"Wales, Pembrokeshire, Parish Registers, 1538-1912," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KCBG-QZ3 : accessed 29 Dec 2012), William Bastard Hart, 1835. ...........................................................
But very possible that this one died in infancy:-
William Hart, "Wales, Pembrokeshire, Parish Registers, 1538-1912" About this collection name: William Hart event: Burial event date: 29 Oct 1835 event place: Prendergast, Pembrokeshire, Wales age: 0 estimated birth year: 1835 spouse: film number: digital folder number: 004209485 Citing this Record
"Wales, Pembrokeshire, Parish Registers, 1538-1912," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KCBG-4MY : accessed 29 Dec 2012), William Hart, 1835.
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Catherine
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29 Dec 2012 16:21 |
There is also this William Hart (born abt. correct date and place)
1851 Wales Census about William Hart Name: William Hart Age: 13 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838 Relation: Son Mother's Name: Mary Hart Gender: Male Where born: Haverfordwest; Prendergast Civil Parish or Township: Prendergast Town: Haverfordwest County/Island: Pembrokeshire Country: Wales Registration district: Haverfordwest Sub-registration district: Haverfordwest ED, institution, or vessel: 6a Piece: 2478 Folio: 220 Page Number: 24 Household schedule number: 103 Household Members: Name Age Mary Hart 30 William Hart 13 James Hart 8 Evan Parry 35
.............but my money is on the other one!
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29 Dec 2012 16:04 |
Did the family emigrate - not seeing anything for them post 1881?
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Catherine
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29 Dec 2012 16:01 |
Same family in 1851:-
1851 England Census about Mary Ann Phillips Name: Mary Ann Phillips Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: James Phillips Mother's Name: Ruth Phillips Gender: F (Female) Where born: Berdwlldy, Monmouthshire, Wales Civil parish: Longbenton Ecclesiastical parish: Walker County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street Address:
Registration district: Tynemouth Sub-registration district: Longbenton ED, institution, or vessel: 2a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 134 Piece: 2411 Folio: 98 Page Number: 39 Household Members: Name Age James Phillips 38 born: Llanarthne, Carmarthenshire Ruth Phillips 36 born: Merthyr Tydoil, Glamorgan John Phillips 15 James Phillips 13 Mary Ann Phillips 12 Naomi Phillips 10 William Phillips 7 Rachel Phillips 2 born: Walker, Northumberland Daniel Phillips 5 Mo
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Catherine
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29 Dec 2012 15:56 |
John is noted as being born in Walker and there is a Mary Ann Phillips born correct time and place living in Walker in 1861:-
1861 England Census about Mary Ann Phillips Name: Mary Ann Phillips Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: James Phillips Mother's Name: Ruth Phillips Gender: Female Where born: Rhymney, Monmouthshire, Wales Civil parish: Walker Ecclesiastical parish: Walker County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Registration district: Tynemouth Sub-registration district: Longbenton ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 75 Piece: 3844 Folio: 102 Page Number: 17 Household Members: Name Age James Phillips 50 - Puddler Ruth Phillips 47 Mary Ann Phillips 22 William Phillips 17 Racheal Phillips 12 Daniel Phillips 11 Naomi Phillips 8 Benjamin Phillips 4
................so a definate possibility for Mary Ann.
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29 Dec 2012 15:51 |
Just 1 birth for their later daughter:
Births Jun 1878 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hart Hannah Jane Stockton 10a 103
Hannah Jane Hart Age: 2 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: William Hart Mother's Name: Mary Ann Hart Gender: Female Where born: Long Benton, Northumberland, England Civil parish: Stockton on Tees County/Island: Durham Country: England Street Address: 3 Lambert St Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Stockton Sub-registration district: Stockton ED, institution, or vessel: 26 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4896 Folio: 73 Page Number: 21 Household Members: Name Age William Hart 46 Mary Ann Hart 43 John Hart 16 William H. Hart 12 Thomas Hart 10 Elizabeth Hart 8 Martha Hart 4 Hannah Jane Hart 2 Arthur Hart 1 Her birth certificate would give you mothers maiden name to check for a marriage.
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Catherine
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29 Dec 2012 15:50 |
As first child, John Hart, was born in Northumberland, this could be William in 1861:-
1861 England Census about William Hart Name: William Hart Age: 23 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838 Relation: Boarder Gender: Male Where born: Charlester, Pembrokeshire, Wales Civil parish: Walker Ecclesiastical parish: Walker County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: Puddler
Registration district: Tynemouth Sub-registration district: Longbenton ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 20 Piece: 3844 Folio: 96 Page Number: 6 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Jenkins 41 Mary Jenkins 30 Abraham Jenkins 1 William Hart 23 James Hughs 24 Thomas Bevan 20 ..................................................................
In which case, this could be the marriage of William and Mary Ann:-
Marriages Jun 1863 (>99%) HAMILTON Alexander Douglas Tynemouth 10b 267 xxxx HART William Tynemouth 10b 267 LOWDON Eleanor Tynemouth 10b 267 xxxx PHILLIPS Mary Ann Tynemouth 10b 267
..............which would fit nicely with the birth date for John!
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Catherine
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29 Dec 2012 15:43 |
I'm very well thank you Amanda, recovering from Christmas and getting ready for New Year.
This would be a possible for William (correct birth date and place) although mother here is noted as Ann.
1841 Wales Census about William Hart Name: William Hart Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836 Gender: Male Where born: Pembrokeshire, Wales Civil parish: Freystrop Hundred: Roose County/Island: Pembrokeshire Country: Wales Street Address: View image Occupation: View image Registration district: Haverfordwest Sub-registration district: Milford Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1449 Book: 5 Folio: 16 Page Number: 1 Household Members: Name Name Thomas Hart 40 Ann Hart 40 John Hart 15 Thomas Hart 15 Mary Hart 15 Elizabeth Hart 11 James Hart 9 David Hart 7 William Hart 5 Martha Hart 2 Joseph Hart 8 Mo
You really need the marriage cert. for William and Mary Ann to find the name of his father.
Just in case, same family in 1851:-
1851 Wales Census about Thomas Heart Name: Thomas Heart Age: 48 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1803 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Ann Heart Gender: Male Where born: Pembrokeshire, Wales Civil Parish or Township: Aberdare Ecclesiastical parish: Llandaff County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil Sub-registration district: Aberdare ED, institution, or vessel: 2a Piece: 2460 Folio: 66 Page Number: 9 Household schedule number: 30 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Heart 48 Ann Heart 50 Thomas Heart 29 Mary Heart 24 James Heart 18 David Heart 16 William Heart 15 Mathew Heart 12 Joseph Heart 10 Ann Heart 8 John Heart 8 Mathew Heart 4 Ann Morgan 3 John Davies 22 Peter Sutton 21
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Catherine
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29 Dec 2012 15:37 |
3 possible births for William Henry:- Births Dec 1868 (>99%) HART William Henry Stockton 10a 103 Births Dec 1869 (>99%) Hart William Henry Stockton 10a 123 Hart William Henry Stockton 10a 86
and 2 for Thomas:- Births Sep 1870 (>99%) HART Thomas Stockton 10a 109 Births Jun 1871 (>99%) Hart Thomas Stockton 10a 151
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Amanda
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29 Dec 2012 15:35 |
hi Catherine how are you?
yh that them when he was married. :-D
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Catherine
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29 Dec 2012 15:31 |
Could this be them?
1871 England Census about William Hart Name: William Hart Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Hart Gender: Male Where born: Haverfordwest, Pembrokeshire, Wales Civil parish: Stockton on Tees Ecclesiastical parish: St James Town: Stockton on Tees County/Island: Durham Country: England Registration district: Stockton Sub-registration district: Stockton ED, institution, or vessel: 21 Household schedule number: 60 Piece: 4903 Folio: 64 Page Number: 11 Household Members: Name Age William Hart 35 Mary Ann Hart 31 born: Rtzmney, Monmouthshire John Hart 6 born: Walker, Northumberland W Henry Hart 2 born: Stockton, Durham Thomas Hart 7 Months born: Stockton, Durham Thomas James 20
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Catherine
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29 Dec 2012 15:30 |
The birth certificate of one of their children will give you mother's maiden name. Once you have that you can find a marriage and the cert. from that will give you their father's names and occupations which will help find or confirm any information that is found.
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