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Charlotta L Creeper 1911 Census

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Dorothy

Dorothy Report 1 Jan 2013 17:09

Well what a coinsidence Kucinta...I am going to take a virtual stroll hopefully to find Alexandra Villa :)...it never ceases to amaze me, when I make contact with someone on here like yourself who lived in and around my local stamping ground..

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 31 Dec 2012 16:18

I wondered that too...

I also noticed that Charlotta was born, or at least living, in Alexandra Villa Elton Road (Clifton) Bristol in 1881.

That's just round the corner from the university where I work. They are quite grand houses, and many of them have been bought up by Bristol Grammar School to be used to house various of their departments

Unfortunately they're set well back from the road, so it wouldn't be easy to work out which one was Alexandra Villa.

You could use google maps streetview to take a stroll up it...

I was born in Kenley, but raised in Sanderstead and some of my ancestors lived off the Godstone Road in Whyteleafe, and Mum, and later one of my sisters and myself went to Whyteleafe Grammar (showing my age!).

Dorothy

Dorothy Report 31 Dec 2012 13:45

Thank you Kucinta... :-) wonder if this became the Surrey Hills clinic circa 1960.. lots to do on my next visit to Caterham....(my home town)

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 31 Dec 2012 13:20

The sanitarium was also known as the Surrey Hills Hydro.

Some more photos in an article posted on ebay

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1905-Surrey-Hills-Hydro-Sanitarium-England-/220796801340

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 31 Dec 2012 12:58

On the 1912 arrival in USA she was headed to San Jose, California.

Her nearest friend in England was Mr (or W) Caine (looks like) in Caterham - Timber Hill (or Mill) Cottage.

Think it would be Timber Hill going on the Francis Frith site
http://www.francisfrith.com/caterham/photos/timber-hill-1903_50976/#utmcsr=google.co.uk&utmcmd=referral&utmccn=google.co.uk

Dorothy

Dorothy Report 31 Dec 2012 12:56

Yes that is defintely my Charlotta..she marrried in Santa Clara, California for the 1st time...and then in 1950 in the Black Forest Germany... Then finally died in San Diego, California........

thank you so much everyone......

Dorothy

Dorothy Report 31 Dec 2012 12:50

Thank you to everyone who has helped me to try and track down my elusive Charlotta..couldn't have done it without you :-) I'll go through everything listed here

Have a great New Year and Happy Hunting in 2013 to everyone here on Genes

Margee

Margee Report 30 Dec 2012 20:09

She also seems to have gone to USA in 1898:

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Charlotta Creeper Name: Charlotta Creeper
Arrival Date: 24 Aug 1898
Birth Date: abt 1881
Age: 17
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: English
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Teutonic
Search Ship Database: Search the Teutonic in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

She's a nurse, heading to Battle Creek, Michigan.

The 1912 arrival gives her last address as Caterham but says her nationality is Prussian. She's heading to California but I can't make out name of city.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 30 Dec 2012 19:57

Charlotte may have emigrated soon after census 1911:

Name: Miss C CREEPER
Date of departure: 19 May 1912
Port of departure: Southampton
Passenger destination port: New York, USA
Passenger destination: New York, USA

Date of Birth: 1881 (calculated from age)<<<<<<<<<<
Age: 31
Marital status:
Sex: Female
Occupation: Nurse<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Passenger recorded on: Page 3 of 4



Ship:
Official Number:
Master's name:
Steamship Line:
Where bound:
Square feet:
Registered tonnage:
Passengers on voyage:
PRESIDENT LINCOLN
Witt
Hamburg-American.
New York, USA
11171
52

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 30 Dec 2012 19:44

The Olsens, who founded Caterham Sanitarium in 1903 (see an earlier post), were living very close by in 1911:

Address: 110 Godstone Road Caterham Valley County: Surrey


OLSEN, Alfred B Head Married M 41 1870 Physician United State of America Resident
OLSEN, Mary P Wife Married 8 years F 36 1875 Editorial Assistant United State of America Resident
OLSEN, Clarence W Son M 7 1904 United State of America Resident
OLSEN, Richard E Son M 4 1907 Caterham Surrey
OLSEN, Humphrey A A Son M 1 1910 Caterham Surrey
OLSEN, Gertrude E Daughter F 0 (4 MONTHS) 1911 Caterham Surrey
LORUTY, Esther O E Servant Single F 19 1892 Housemaid Domestic Norway Resident


Looks like they were virtually on their honeymoon when they founded the place!

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 30 Dec 2012 19:21

Another much smaller mention of Caterham Sanitarium again in Good health magazine, page 586, plus photograph of the sanitarium in winter at the beginning of the piece.

Seems to have been part of some good health movement of the times.

http://docs.adventistarchives.org/docs/GHB/GHB19071201-V05-19__C.pdf?q=docs/GHB/GHB19071201-V05-19__C.pdf

Going by the article I posted at 19:12, it was all mod cons and facilities for the era - I think I'd have been happy to stay there myself! :-)

Edit . Googling shows it was tied in with Seventh day Adventists.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 30 Dec 2012 19:17

Name: Alice Bass
Age in 1911: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Kensal Green, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Caterham
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address: 100 Godstone Road, Sancreed, Caterham Valley
Marital Status: Single
Registration district: Godstone
Registration District Number: 38
Sub-registration district: Godstone
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 53
Piece: 3245
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur Horace Rolls 81
Janetter Annie Rolls 58
Katherine Eade 26
Alice Bass 23
Rose Gatland 24
M Taylor
Mary Taylor 50

(from above Ancestry, go on 3 images, BLANK page!, that's where she should be)

Chris :)

(page is reverse, holes on right!)

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 30 Dec 2012 19:12

Good Health Magazine, May 1910 page 138 onwards, a piece about Caterham Sanitarium.

You'll need to page downwards, past the opening photo etc.

http://docs.adventistarchives.org/docs/GHB/GHB19100501-V08-05__C.pdf?q=docs/GHB/GHB19100501-V08-05__C.pdf

It seems a bit along the lines of some sort of health spa.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 30 Dec 2012 19:03

Caterham Sanitarium founded in 1903? NB NOT the Metropolitan Asylum, see my earlier posting.

"Dr and Mrs A B Olsen published the Good Health journal in 1901 and started a Sanitarium in Caterham, Surrey in 1903; In 1902 Dr J J Bell opened a 10 bed Sanitarium in Belfast (moved to Rostrevor in 1906); and Dr F C Richards ran a Sanitarium in rented premises in Leicester in 1903."


"The Metropolitan District Asylum for insane persons and imbeciles, erected in 1870, is situated in the upper part of this parish. Adjoining the asylum are barracks for the recruits of the brigade of Foot Guards."

Two different institutions, Caterham Sanitarium (Godstone Rd) and the Metropolitan Asylum, near the barracks.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 30 Dec 2012 19:03

1911 England Census Summary Books

(would it be on above, Ancestry, not having much luck!)

Chris :)

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 30 Dec 2012 18:57


Incidently, if you look at the addresses, Charlotte Cooper is listed as being an Inmate at the Metropolitan Asylum, Charlotta L Creeper is matron of Caterham Sanitarium, so they appear to be two different institutions

1911 census transcription details for: Caterham Sanitarium<<<<<<<


Address: Godstone Road Caterham Valley
County: Surrey

CREEPER, Charlotta L Matron Single F 30 1881 Sanitarium Matron Somerset Bristol

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 30 Dec 2012 18:54

Dorothy have a look here for info. on the records.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/hospitalrecords/details.asp?id=1004&page=10

and here for Staff records?

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/archon/searches/locresult_details.asp?LR=74

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 30 Dec 2012 18:52

Separate entry for Charlotte Cooper:

1911 census transcription details for: Metropolitan Asylum Caterham, GUARDS' DEPOT


National Archive Reference:
RG14PN3270 RD38 SD1 ED27 SN9999
Reg. District: Godstone
Sub District: Godstone
Parish: Caterham
Enum. District: 27
Address: Caterham
County: Surrey

COOPER, Charlotte Inmate Single F 33 1878 Nil Not Known

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 30 Dec 2012 18:48

I disagree, we may be talking more than one person here. The FMP IMAGE definitely says

Charlotta L Creeper matron aged 30 born Somerset Bristol and sanitarium matron on the occupation line.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 30 Dec 2012 18:46

1911 (Find My Past)
CREEPER, Charlotta L Matron Single F 30 1881 Sanitarium Matron Somerset Bristol
RG number: RG14
Piece: 3245
Reference: RG14PN3245 RG78PN123 RD38 SD1 ED2 SN54
Registration District: Godstone
Sub District: Godstone
Enumeration District: 2
Parish: Caterham
Address: Godstone Road Caterham Valley
County: Surrey

Chris :)