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I thought I should just put this on here as the connection is George John Tucker (1867 to c 1929). George married Harriett in 1890 - I am now looking for her death.

From a few other trees I have seen her death year noted as 1955, so it must be this one:

Deaths Mar 1955 (>99%)
TUCKER Harriett 86 Surrey N. 5g 497

But as far as I can see it could also be this one:

Deaths Dec 1933 (>99%)
Tucker Harriet 65 Fulham 1a 388

I am initially inclined towards 1955 and wonder whether Harriett Tucker is visible on the ERs in the early 1950's please and if she is with anybody? I am struggling to work out why she might be in Surrey N (if it is her!) - unless it was with one of her children (or in the vicinity) but their deaths do not appear to occur in the same place - which isn't an indicator of course, as they could have moved after her death!

Sorry rambling, speculating - so if anyone could check on ERs I would be grateful

Thank you
J-A

I started this post for George 1823 & George John 1868 (father and son) and on 3rd Jan 2013 MelFG kindly posted details from someone’s tree on another site for George 1823 marrying Emma Taylor in September 1855.

I have now found (during a free trip to the Library) a John Tucker, marrying an Emma Turner in April 1857 – the details seem to match up with other the Tucker father details (George EDIT before 1823 possibly 1801) and one witness is also George Tucker (possibly George John 1868) his brother? EDIT - No that is his nephew - so George 1823 his brother

So does anyone agree/disagree that this John Tucker could be John Tucker 1831 (1841 Census at Bermuda Street, Stepney) – tried comparing signatures but would appreciate some fresh eyes on it please? Also the residence at time of marriage is North Street – George and Emma live at North Street on the 1861 Census.

Thank you

J-A

EDIT - sorry got confused with the string of Georges so amended the dates!!!

Mel

Thank you for the link to the 1868 map and infor re roundings - they always make it more confusing, but I think that what has been posted gives me most of the facts (except the reason for the musical carpenter/joiner bit!)

Thanks for your help

J

Jannie I forgot to say they rounded the ages down on the 1841 census so you can't really go by the ages on that one. I have three children all of 5 years old in one census for 1841 and they are all about 18 months to two years apart on the actual births.

This is a map of London which you may find useful as it is an old one online and free.

http://london1868.com/weller47.htm

4 squares down and second from the end is Stepney and there is a North St on that.

I need to go shopping - but the Tucker's have my attention

Here are the deaths of Amy, Flora and Edith - sad

Civil registration event: Death

Name:TUCKER, Amy Lavinia
Registration district: [?]Mile End Old Town
County:London
Year of registration:1863
Quarter of registration:Apr-May-Jun
Volume no:1C
Page no:391


Civil registration event: Death

Name:TUCKER, Flora Elizabeth
Registration district: [?]Mile End Old Town
County:London
Year of registration:1863
Quarter of registration:Jul-Aug-Sep
Volume no:1C
Page no:387


Civil registration event: Death

Name:TUCKER, Edith J
Registration district: [?]Mile End Old Town
County:London
Year of registration:1866
Quarter of registration:Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at death:1
Volume no:1C
Page no:671

And this from A-Z Old to New Streets (North Street became Lindley Street at some point)

North street, Aston street Elsa street Stepney 1912
North street, Back Church lane Fairclough street Stepney 1912
>>>>>>>>North street, Sidney street Lindley street Stepney 1912
North street, Whitechapel road Brady street Stepney

Now I am so confused by this lot, and I thought they were sorted.

On the 1841 there is only 5 years between George and Elizabeth, with a son born in 1826 plus Eliza (twin) Alfred, John, Sarah and Edwin. On teh 1851 you posted George, John and Sarah are there - maybe Eliza, Alfred and Edwin were married or dead!

Then 1861 at North Street - George (son) and Emma with a baby Amy but by 1871 George with Emma, no Amy and Son George (1868), still at North Street but then in 1871 still George, Emma and George at 34 Lindley Street.

I am beginning to think that there were a lot of births and almost as many child deaths - and George 1821/1823 was from time to time a musician. I can't see any other records for another family that ties in as closely................

I have to go out now but will look in when I get back. Have to go shopping for the first time since before Christmas. :-( :-( :-(

I suppose if you are a musician and a joiner you should always be able to find some kind of work!! The only thing I can say is that the address was the same on most or all of the baptisms so it must have been the same couple.

Mmmm, interesting as I have George (1826, so likely 1823) in 1841 aged 15, as a carpenter - with parents George and Elizabeth, which ties to the 1851 (except he is a musician!) and 1861 he is back to being a Ship Joiner, then 1871 a Musician (again), 1881 a Gas Fitter. All very intriguing - I suppose it depends exactly what sort of musician.

EDIT: Just seen your last post - looks like more than one family now but a lot of the details agree

Jannie I am not sure that this tree on Ancestry is right.

There is a baptism of a Flora Elizabeth Tucker with parents George and Emma but the father occupation is again Ship Joiner. Flora is supposed to be a sister to George John.

These are the children this person has as connected to George Tucker and Emma.

Amy Lavinia Tucker born 1 Nov 1860 bastised Jan 20 1861 Address 11 North St. Father a Musician.
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Amy Lavinia Thcker
Name: Amy Lavinia Thcker
[Amy Lavinia Tucker]
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 20 Jan 1861
Father's Name: George Thcker
Mother's Name: Emma Thcker
Parish or Poor Law Union: Stepney St Dunstan and All Saints
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Flora Elizabeth Tucker
Name: Flora Elizabeth Tucker
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 15 Feb 1863
Father's Name: George Tucker
Mother's Name: Emma Tucker
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bethnal Green St Bartholomew
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address 11 North St Jubilee St. Father Ship Joiner.

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Edith Jane Tucker
Name: Edith Jane Tucker
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 16 Jul 1865
Father's Name: George Tucker
Mother's Name: Emma Tucker
Parish or Poor Law Union: Stepney St Dunstan and All Saints
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address 11 North St Jubilee St father Ship Joiner

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Edith Jane Tucker
Name: Edith Jane Tucker
BORN May 15th*************************
Baptism Date: 16 Jul 1865
Father's Name: George Tucker
Mother's Name: Emma Tucker
Parish or Poor Law Union: Stepney St Dunstan and All Saints
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers

Still 11 norht st etc father Ship Joiner

That 1851 census I put up had George as a Musician when he was'nt married with mother Elizabeth.

MelFG - thank you - that is very interesting - especially the 'Professor of Music' bit.

EDIT:

I was just checking my files and wondering why I didn't have anything for the 1851 - and no matter how I try I cannot seem to find them on FMP, so really appreciate the 1851 posting.

George John Tucker born 5th June 1867 mother Emma Tucker formerly Taylor father George Tucker Professor of music.

These are from someones tree.

George Tucker married Emma Taylor22 Sept 1855.

He is a Ships Joiner and his father George senior is also a ship joiner.

Her father is John Taylor a Vintner.

Witnesses are John Tucker and Sarah Ann Tucker.

1851 England Census
about George Tucker
Name: George Tucker
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George Tucker
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Tucker
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Poplar, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Stepney
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Stepney
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town Upper
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 263
Piece: 1552
Folio: 418
Page Number: 46
Household Members: Name Age
George Tucker 54 CARPENTER
Elizabeth Tucker 53
George Tucker 28 MUSICIAN
John Tucker 20
Sarah Tucker 14
Jane Tucker 9

1881 England Census
about George Tucker
Name: George Tucker
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma Tucker
Gender: Male
Where born: Poplar, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Hamlet
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 34 Lindley St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:


Occupation: Gas Fitter <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 474
Folio: 67
Page Number: 20
Household Members: Name Age
George Tucker 58
Emma Tucker 48
George Tucker 13

Reggie

Thanks, looks like Emma Taylor is the one then, will look at the 1851

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about George Tucker
Name: George Tucker
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Ann Kelly
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1855
Parish: Lambeth St John the Evangelist
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: Thomas Tucker
Register Type: Parish Register

Linked by Ancestry to the 1861 for Tucker

1851 England Census

Name: Emma Taylor
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Apprentice
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Hackney, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Liberty of Glasshouse Yard
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: East London
Sub-registration district: Cripplegate
ED, institution, or vessel: 2e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 23
Piece: 1525
Folio: 567
Page Number: 6

Reggie and MelFG, thank you that is the detail I was hoping for for George and Harriet