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1871 census help please

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Quinsgran

Quinsgran Report 5 Jan 2013 06:08

I went to the library today to check out a census but I dont think its the correct one

Looking for Matthew Armstrong born c1840 Allendale Northumberland
He married Mary Barrow born c1836 Allendale in 1869
He is a cartman in 1881 living in Tynemouth

Also can you find him in 1861 hopefully living with his parents. Sorry I dont know their names

Thank you

K

K Report 5 Jan 2013 07:02

1861? Working as a lead miner and all family born Allendale

Name: Matthew Armstrong
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Matthew Armstrong
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Armstrong
Gender: Male
Where born: Allendale, Northumberland, England

Civil parish: Allendale
Ecclesiastical parish: Nine Banks
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

View image

Registration district: Hexham
Sub-registration district: Allendale
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 60
Piece: 3862
Folio: 71
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Matthew Armstrong 47
Elizabeth Armstrong 45
Margaret Armstrong 25
George Armstrong 23
Matthew Armstrong 21
John Armstrong 16
Mary Armstrong 10
William Armstrong 8
Joseph L Armstrong 5

K

K Report 5 Jan 2013 07:04

There is also this one - again a lead miner

1861

Name: Matthew Armstrong
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Frances Armstrong
Gender: Male
Where born: Allendale, Northumberland, England

Civil parish: Allendale
Ecclesiastical parish: Nine Banks
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

View image

Registration district: Hexham
Sub-registration district: Allendale
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3862
Folio: 81
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Frances Armstrong 46
Thomas Armstrong 22
Matthew Armstrong 19
Elizabeth Armstrong 14
Ann Armstrong 12
Hannah Armstrong 9
Frances Armstrong 7
Leah Armstrong 4

K

K Report 5 Jan 2013 07:08

1871? He appears to be the first one I posted as the son of Frances is still at home in 1871

The name on the image could well be a shortened Armstrong and he is a cartman - Could Polly be a nickname?

Name: Matthew Armstry
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Polly Armstry
Gender: Male
Where born: Annandale, Westmorland, England
Civil parish: Cullercoates
Ecclesiastical parish: Cullercoates
Town: Cullercoates
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Tynemouth
Sub-registration district: Tynemouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Household schedule number: 208
Piece: 5122
Folio: 23
Page Number: 39
Household Members:
Name Age
Matthew Armstry 30
Polly Armstry 35 b Annandale, Westmorland,

IanPJS

IanPJS Report 5 Jan 2013 07:11


Hi K,

I had an aunt Mary who was always referred to as 'Polly'

Ian

Quinsgran

Quinsgran Report 5 Jan 2013 07:13

Thank you K
The one with Frances was the mistake I made at the library and Yes Polly
is another name for Mary

Can you find the family in 1861 please

K

K Report 5 Jan 2013 07:13

Hi Ian

Yes and the age and birth place of this Polly/ Mary is the same as in 1881

Kay

Flip

Flip Report 5 Jan 2013 10:44

If you are trying to work backwards, and K has the right family this is 1851

Matthew Armstrong
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Matthew Armstrong
Mother's Name: Elizebeth Armstrong
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Allendale, Northumberland, England

Civil parish: Allendale and West Allen High
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Hexham
Sub-registration district: Allendale
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 70
Piece: 2415
Folio: 223
Page Number: 21
Household Members: Name Age
Matthew Armstrong 37
Elizebeth Armstrong 34
Margrat Armstrong 14
George Armstrong 12
Matthew Armstrong 10
John Armstrong 6
Thomas Armstrong 2
Mary Armstrong 7 Mo

And 1841

Matthew Armstrong
Age: 3 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Gender: Male
Where born: Northumberland, England

Civil parish: Allendale
Hundred: Tindale (South or Hexham Division)
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Hexham
Sub-registration district: Allendale
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 837
Book: 34
Folio: 10
Page Number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
Matthew Armstrong 25
Elizabeth Armstrong 25
Margret Armstrong 5
George Armstrong 3
Matthew Armstrong 3 Mo

Ancestry is suggesting this for Matthew snr, which could be possible given their oldest daughters name:

Matthew Armstrong
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 11 Apr 1813
Christening Place: Warden, Northumberland, England
Father's Name: Matthew Armstrong
Mother's Name: Margaret

Quinsgran

Quinsgran Report 6 Jan 2013 21:48

Thank you Flip for that
Im also trying to work out this problem

1881 census
Joseph S Armstrong 1857 West Allendale occ coal miner
Maria wife 1859 Byers Green
Elizabeth J Armstrong no age so baby
Byers Green

Can you find the family in 1891

In 1897 a Maria Armstrong age 40 died sept qt Auckland district and Joseph Armstrong ( no middle name) married Sarah Brown 1897 dec qt Auckland

1901
Joseph S Armstrong 44 coal miner
Sarah Armstrong 37 Haswell Durham
Margaret Armstrong 18 Byers Green
William Armstrong 16 Newcastle
John A Armstrong 12 Croadale? Durham
Harry Brown step son 16 New Shildon
John Brown 14 New Shildon
Albert Brown 11 Byers Green
William Brown 7 Byers Green


1911
Joseph S Armstrong
Sarah Armstrong married 13 years 3 children
John Brown
Albert Brown
William Brown
Joseph signed the form as Joseph Stobart Armstrong

Need to find Joseph Maria and Elizabeth J Armstrong in 1891

Any help please or I will have to go to the library again
They must think Im a permanent fixture lol

On the 1911 census
Joseph S Armstrong coal miner
Sarah Armstrong

Christina (Lancashire)

Christina (Lancashire) Report 6 Jan 2013 22:03

1891 England Census
Name: Joseph Armstrong
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Maud Armstrong
Gender: Male
Where born: West Arendale, Northumberland, England
Civil parish: Sunderland Bridge
Ecclesiastical parish: Croxdale
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address:......33 Rogersons Terrace

Registration district: Durham
Sub-registration district: St Oswald
ED, institution, or vessel: 39
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4100
Folio: 146
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Armstrong 33.....Coal Miner
Maud Armstrong 32.....Maria on image.....Byers Green, Durham.
Elizabeth J Armstrong 10.......Byers Green
Margaret Armstrong 8......Byers Green
William J Armstrong 6......Newcastle Upon Tyne
John A Armstrong 2......Croxdale, Durham

Quinsgran

Quinsgran Report 6 Jan 2013 22:06

Thank you Christina I had just checked 1901censusonline where you can check the other census and she is transcribed as Maria

I cant look at the details so thank you for that

Quinsgran

Quinsgran Report 6 Jan 2013 22:21

Can you look at the image for 1891 and look at William J Armstrong

Could it be a T for middle initial

Found a birth for William Thomas Armstrong in 1885 Newcastle
I know sometimes middle names are added at baptism

If this was a direct family I would have bought certs but it isnt
On the 1911 census

I can find 3 William Joseph Armstrong 1885 Newcastle upon Tyne
living Tynemouth
William Thomas Armstrong 1885 N Upon T
Living Medway Kent

William Armstrong 1885 N Upon T living Auckland

Christina (Lancashire)

Christina (Lancashire) Report 6 Jan 2013 22:25

Yes, looks more like a T on the image. Nothing like the J in Joseph or Elizabeth J.

Quinsgran

Quinsgran Report 6 Jan 2013 22:31

Oh thank you It just shows how important it is to check the images

I once found a child 40 years older than his father. No wonder we cant find people

I had Ancestry for 4 years but cant justify the price since I have my main family even paying for the 1911 census before it became available on subscription