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Help to find Military BDMs - SHEPHERD/SHEPPARD

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Irene

Irene Report 10 Jan 2013 00:11

Hi

I am looking for some help to find military records to establish the births of our greatgrandfathers sisters family.

Caroline Riley Taylor born 10 Sept 1837 Bilston married Frederick Shepherd (born 14 Oct 1836 Aston) 6 May 1860 Codsall.
Caroline died 28 October 1896 Solihull
Frederick died 8 March 1909 Sparkhill (retired pawnbroker). A army pensioner.

National Probate Calendar for Caroline was granted to George Rowland Scott (husband of daughter Elizabeth Harriet) and John Shepherd (toolmaker). With John I have only just discovered. I have no further info on him at all.

National Probate Calendar for Frederick was granted to Frederick Shepherd a Sergeant Major in His Majesty’s Army and Fanny Stainton widow. These are both new to me. I did not have any info on either a Frederick or a possible Fanny. Could these be his children.

Daughters that I have found Elizabeth Harriet and Emily Shepherd were both born 1871 and 1875 in Malta. Emily is the daughter of Frederick Shepherd Armourer Sergeant 74th Highlander. Unfortunately I did not keep the source so do not know where I found this info.

In my searching on familysearch.org I have found a Frederick William Thomas Henry Taylor marriage 2 Sept 1912 at Wimbledon, Surrey to Elizabeth Esther Bell. Maybe a possible Frederick as Carolines father was Henry Taylor.
Also found a Fanny (Francis) Balance Shepherd marrying in March 1891 at Aston to Henry Wilton. Father Frederic Shepherd. Could this be a daughter as well. Her aunty was Fanny Taylor who married a John Ballance the first prime minister of New Zealand. No info on a Fanny marrying a Stainton. Fanny was born in Gibraltar.

There is also a Lily A Shepherd born Malta 1876 and a Annie L Sheppard born about 1872 Malta.

Any help would be very much appreciated.

Thanks.
Irene

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 10 Jan 2013 00:23

1911 but only becuase of location but there are others

Name: Fanny Stainton
Age in 1911: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Yardley
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street Address: 4 Nansen Rd Sparkhill
Marital Status: Widowed
Registration district: Solihull
Registration District Number: 392
Sub-registration district: Solihull
ED, institution, or vessel: 52
Piece: 18690
Household Members: Name Age
Fanny Stainton 59
Ernest Swinbourne Stainton 30
George Wallace Stainton 26
Florence Beatrice Stainton 20

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 10 Jan 2013 00:27

So probably not as Sparkhill for the 1909 death is Worcestershire but died at Birmingham

Andrew

Andrew Report 10 Jan 2013 00:32

Possible for Fanny and Mr Stainton

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1902 (>99%)
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Stainton Arthur Graham Birmingham 6d 8
Wilton Fanny Birmingham 6d 8


and hid death?

Deaths Mar 1905 (>99%)
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Stainton Arthur 28 Aston 6d 165


Andy

Andrew

Andrew Report 10 Jan 2013 00:35

For ref Fanny 1901

1901 England Census
about Fanny Wilton
Name: Fanny Wilton
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Gibraltar

Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 42
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 64
Piece: 2836
Folio: 131
Page Number: 11
Household Members: Name Age
Fanny Wilton 30
Florence B Wilton 8
Eustice E Edginton 19




1911

1911 England Census
about Fanny Stainton
Name: Fanny Stainton
Age in 1911: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Gibraltar
Civil parish: Yardley
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street Address: 453 Stratford Rd Birmingham
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: House Holder
Registration district: Solihull
Registration District Number: 392
Sub-registration district: Solihull
ED, institution, or vessel: 48
Piece: 18686
Household Members: Name Age
Fanny Stainton 41
Beatrice Wilton 18
Jane Sherratt 28
Ellen Sherratt 26


Andy

Irene

Irene Report 10 Jan 2013 00:40

Hi
Thank you that certainly looks like the Fanny who married Henry Wilton so it possibly could be his daughter then with the remarriage to Arthur Stainton.

That could well be her in the 1901 and 1911 census. Thank you. Would Fredericks military service as well as Malta taken him to Gibraltar.

I have Frederick seniors death cert and he died Shatford Road, Sparkhill, Yardley R.D His occupation was an army pensioner of 72 Durham Rd, Sparkhill, Yardley. Informant his daughter Elizabeth Scott residence 8 Wilton Road, Sparkhill so they seemed to be living in that area.
Thanks,
Irene

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 10 Jan 2013 08:35

Do you have actual copies of the Wills, might be more info.

http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/probate/family-history

Chris :)


Name: SHEPHERD, Harriett E
Mother's name: Not available before 1966
Regiment:74th Foot
Place : Malta
Country: Malta
Year: 1872
Volume : 1306
Page: 34
Record source: GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)


http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast

(above link NZ newspapers, articles, John Ballance)

Reggie

Reggie Report 10 Jan 2013 09:09

"Would Fredericks military service as well as Malta taken him to Gibraltar."

His service could have taken him to any location in which the British military had a base.....

Military BMD's are on FMP.................

Irene

Irene Report 10 Jan 2013 09:57

Hi Chris,
I do not have their wills at present but thank you for the information as I hadn't thought about that and will look into how to obtain a copy. I appreciate all the info.
Thanks.
Irene

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 10 Jan 2013 12:47

74th Foot, not sure if that's the same as 74th Highlander?

Name: SHEPHERD, John
Mother's name: Not available before 1966
Regiment:74th Foot
Place : Dover
Country: England
Year: 1866
Volume : 1306
Page: 14
Record source: GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)

Name: SHEPHERD, Fanny
Mother's name: Not available before 1966
Regiment:74th Foot
Place : Gibraltar
Country: Gibraltar
Year: 1870
Volume : 1306
Page: 25
Record source: GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 10 Jan 2013 12:51

74th Foot again:

Name: SHEPHERD, Harriett E
Mother's name: Not available before 1966
Regiment:74th Foot
Place : Malta
Country: Malta
Year: 1872
Volume : 1306
Page: 34
Record source: GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)

Name: SHEPHERD, Jessie
Mother's name: Not available before 1966
Regiment:74th Foot
Place : Singapore
Country: Singapore
Year: 1877
Volume : 1306
Page: 51
Record source: GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)

Name: SHEPHERD, Annie L
Mother's name: Not available before 1966
Regiment:74th Foot
Place : Belgrave
Country: England
Year: 1862
Volume : 1306
Page: 14
Record source: GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 10 Jan 2013 13:00

Still 74th Foot

Name: SHEPHERD, William A
Mother's name: Not available before 1966
Regiment:74th Foot
Place : Dublin
Country: Ireland
Year: 1868
Volume : 1306
Page: 23
Record source: GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761

Obviously there might be more than one soldier named Shepherd serving with the regiment.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 10 Jan 2013 13:06

Googling seems to show that the 74th Highlanders were a regiment of foot.

Irene

Irene Report 10 Jan 2013 19:26

Hi Kucinta.

Thank you soooooooooooo very much. I see both Fanny and Johns names there as well as Harriet E which I had. A bonus to have other names which I had no idea about. Looks like if he's my Frederick that he has moved around quite a bit with his regiment. I will google the 74th Highlanders and see what I can find. I appreciate all the help. Thank you.

Irene

Irene Report 11 Jan 2013 02:13

Hi Kucinta,

Can you please tell me where to find the GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924) as I have other military families I would like to do further research on.
Thanks in advance.
Irene

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 11 Jan 2013 11:05

Hi Irene,

I found them on FMP as Reggie mentioned earlier.

I've just googled and the site below says it provides access to them free, but I haven't verified that claim. Might be worth looking into?

http://www.familyrelatives.com/information/info_detail.php?id=100

Kucinta

Irene

Irene Report 11 Jan 2013 18:56

Thank you Kucinta. Appreciate it very much.
Irene