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WilliamH
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11 Jan 2013 16:53 |
Elsie Kathleen MacDonald died 25 July 1986 at Pembury Hospital, Pembury, Tunbridge Wells, Kent. The death certificate also confirms her maiden name as Faircloth (spelt on the death cert as Fairclough), and her date of birth as 19.09.1895, at Penshurst, Kent. Elsie was a retired secretary, widow of Hector MacDonald, author and retired poultry farmer. Her residence at that time was 67 Warwick Park, Tunbridge Wells, Kent. The informant was a Margaret Betty Forbes MacDonald, Elsies Daughter in Law, usual address was BenVeg, Port-e-Vulley, Maughold, Isle of Man.
this is quite exciting news for me as Hector MacDonald was actually born as Lionel George Granville, and is my Grand Uncle. He had a little bother in WW1 and changed his name to Hector MacDonald and completed his war years with the Black Watch. I wasnt aware Hector and Elsie had any children until I came across her death cert giving her daughter in laws name. If anyone knows of the family, I would be so please to hear from them.
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William
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brummiejan
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11 Jan 2013 16:58 |
William - it's possible but not very likely that anyone who knows this family or is related will see this, so I suggest you go looking for matches. use 'search all trees' from search box above. Good luck - and welcome to the boards! Have you checked for any other children's births using Freebmd? Jan
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Gee
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11 Jan 2013 17:17 |
Hi William
The informant might have passed on by now, or maybe not. There might be children living on the IoM who might be able to help
You can search the online telephone directory here, I think 'Ramsey' might be the closest area to the address listed on the death certificate?
http://www.manxtelecom.com/directory/search.aspx
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MargaretM
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11 Jan 2013 18:05 |
The marriage in 1921:
Marriages Mar 1921 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Faircloth Elsie K MacDonald Kingston 2a 1004 Macdonald Hector A K Faircloth Kingston 2a 1004
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rootgatherer
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11 Jan 2013 18:28 |
Name: Hector Angus Stewart Kenneth MacDonald Probate Date: 9 Dec 1957 Death Date: 14 Oct 1957 Death Place: Tunbridge Wells Registry: London, England
Administration to Elsie Kathleen MacDonald widow. Effects £256. 7s. 6d.
Deaths Dec 1957 MACDONALD Hector A 64 Hailsham 5h 348
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Gee
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11 Jan 2013 18:31 |
Nice find girls :-)
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MargaretM
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11 Jan 2013 18:43 |
UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Hector Angus Kenneth Macdonald Name: Hector Angus Kenneth Macdonald Birth Date: abt 1894 Age: 53 Port of Departure: Mombasa, Kenya Arrival Date: 30 Mar 1947 Port of Arrival: Southampton, England Ports of Voyage: Mombasa Ship Name: Almanzora Search Ship Database: View the 'Almanzora' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping Line: Royal Mail Lines Ltd Official Number: 136353 He's with Elsie Kathleen, 51, heading to c/o Mrs. Whibley, Penhurst Rd., Leigh, Kent. he's an industrial chemist. Last permanent residence Kenya.
Industrial chemist? Far cry from author & poultry farmer!
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MargaretM
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11 Jan 2013 18:48 |
UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 about Hector Angus Macdonald Name: Hector Angus Macdonald Gender: Male Age: 27 Birth Date: abt 1894 Departure Date: 4 Mar 1921 Port of Departure: London, England Destination Port: Mombasa, Kenya Ship Name: Nevasa Search Ship Database: Search the 'Nevasa' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping Line: British India Shipping and Navigation Company, Limited Official Number: 133102 Master: R Henderson
He's a journalist here. With wife Elsie, 25. His last permanent residence was Scotland, hers England. This must have been right after their marriage.
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rootgatherer
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11 Jan 2013 18:51 |
Thank Gins :-)
Yes Margee an Industrial Chemist - perhaps he wrote about Industrial Chemistry!
He didn't half like to add a middle name when he changed his name!
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PricklyHolly
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11 Jan 2013 18:55 |
Welcome to the boards William.........you might already have this info.........
1901 England Census about Elsie Kathleen Faircloth Name: Elsie Kathleen Faircloth Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: William Faircloth Mother's Name: Lucy Faircloth Gender: Female Where born: Leigh, Kent, England Civil parish: Leigh Ecclesiastical parish: Leigh St Mary Town: Leigh County/Island: Kent Country: England Street Address:
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Sevenoaks Sub-registration district: Penshurst ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 80 Piece: 750 Folio: 34 Page Number: 12 Household Members: Name Age William Faircloth 49 Lucy Faircloth 47 William Faircloth 20 Charles Herbert Faircloth 15 Ethel Ann Faircloth 9 Elsie Kathleen Faircloth 5 Lucy Goldsmith 78 (Mother in Law)
Marriages Dec 1878 (>99%) FAIRCLOTH William Sevenoaks 2a 913 Goldsmith Lucy Sevenoaks 2a 913
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alviegal
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11 Jan 2013 19:21 |
1911 census transcription details for: 29 Norman Road Wimbledon Print Close
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN3486 RG78PN130 RD40 SD1 ED24 SN14 Reg. District: Kingston Sub District: Wimbledon Parish: Wimbledon Enum. District: 24 Address: 29 Norman Road Wimbledon County: Surrey Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born GRANVILLE, Lionel Enoch Head Married M 42 1869 House Painter Mitcham Surrey GRANVILLE, Elizabeth Sarah Wife Married 19 years F 42 1869 Office Cleaner Wandsworth Surrey GRANVILLE, Edward Frank Son Single M 11 1900 School Brixton Surrey GRANVILLE, Stanley Blois Son Single M 9 1902 Wandsworth Surrey GRANVILLE, Lucy Annie Daughter Single F 4 1907 Wimbledon Surrey GRANVILLE, Edith Florie Daughter Single F 2 1909 Wimbledon Surrey GRANVILLE, Lionel George Son Single M 17 1894 Shop Assistant Tea Grocers Wandsworth Surrey
Posting a message on this board may bring you some answers.
http://www.isleofman.com/genealogy/
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rootgatherer
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11 Jan 2013 19:23 |
Maybe Relevant?
Name: Colin H Macdonald Birth Date: abt 1922 Age: 27 Port of Departure: Cape Town, South Africa Arrival Date: 11 Mar 1949 Port of Arrival: Southampton, England Ports of Voyage: Cape Town [Durban] [Beira] [Dar es Salaam] [Mombasa] [Southampton] Ship Name: Oranjefontein Search Ship Database: View the 'Oranjefontein' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping Line: Holland Africa Line Official Number: 6217
Embarked at Mombasa, Occupation, coffee taster. Last place of residence Kenya. Going to 122 Upper Grosvenor Road, Tunbridge Wells, Kent.
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Mary
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11 Jan 2013 20:08 |
He also went under the name of Hector lionel Macdonald born Ross-Shire Scotland 28/7/1893. Enlisted in The Royal Army Service Corps 22/11/1919 no50219 Journalist of 73 Merton Road Wimbledon SW.There are 11 pages and on the 10th page says next of kin wife Amelia in Syracuse? New York prior to that in The Royal Highlanders. Info on Ancestry Military records.
Lionel George Granville deserted 30/3/1915,maybe joined in Perth 13/4/1915. as Hector Lionel Macdonald
Maryb.
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WilliamH
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11 Jan 2013 20:26 |
Thanks all.....Ive got all that info....., except the Colin H Macdonald connection...thanks very much for that....Ill look up the directory for IoM, didnt think of that one.....Im hoping that GR will throw up the family....I fear that they were born overseas though, probably in Kenya.
I understand Hector was a chemist at the Kakamega Gold Mine (or one of them) He disappeared fairly soon after his marriage to Elsie (marriedjanuary 1921 and departed for Kenya March 1921.
There maybe a Canadian connection too...he certainly laid down plenty of false trails...but then again, he had to, deserters weren't well thought of, even though he finished the war a hero.
Thanks for all your help friends
(btw I'm a returnee to GR, having been in the Ancestry wilderness for a while :-D
William
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MarieCeleste
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11 Jan 2013 20:38 |
Welcome back William!
I've been looking at those military records and comparing the physical characteristics:
Lionel George Granville was 5' 11" tall, weighed 130lb in 1915. Fair complexion, hazel eyes and dark brown hair. Scar on right elbow and mole in centre of back.
Hector Lionel Macdonald was 5' 10½" tall, weighed 141lb in 1919. Fresh complexion, grey eyes, brown hair. Defective upper teeth and a slight tremor.
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WilliamH
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11 Jan 2013 21:52 |
Hi MarieCeleste
Ive got a photo of him as Hector in his Black Watch uniform and also as Lionel in his RGA uniform. Also Ive been able to compare some of his handwriting, and as well as that, the addresses he uses on various forms also tie in.
"Hector Lionel MacDonald enlisted in the Royal Army Service Corp, in Kingston Upon Thames, Surrey aged 27 years 120 days, a short service with colours of one year. This gives a birth place of Ross-shire, Scotland, occupation, journalist, unmarried. It also gives up his service with the 9th Royal Highlanders Black watch Regiment, service number s/8663, rank Sargent, from which service he was de-mobbed on 6th March 1919. The date of this re-enlistment was 21st November 1919, service number 50219. This records former service in the “highlanders” which was allowed for qualifying service for pension 2 years 227 days, and 3 years 327 days as sailor. Date of discharge on this document is 20.11.1920, and the address documented here is 73 Merton Road, Wimbledon, SW. Hector declares no next of kin on this record.
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WilliamH
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11 Jan 2013 22:02 |
The document “report on wounds or other injuries, received otherwise than in action” shows some other possible background to LGGs desertion. 46355 Gunner L Granville was admitted to hospital on 8th Feb 1915, suffering from fracture of jaw. It is noted that the disability was of a serious nature, but “will not” interfere with his future performance as a soldier. LGG claims on this form that his injury came about during the performance of his military duty at the time of the accident, and it is signed 20.3.1915, at station Cosham. The Cosham Hospital record also shows his admittance on 8.2.1915, and discharge on 20.3.1915.
The paymaster document of 30th March 1915 shows the Cr balance of 18/- 6d for 46355 Gunner Granville LG, was accounted for in the casualty pay list of June 1915, for 37 Co, RGA .
Record of the declaration of the court of inquiry assembled at Fort Blockhouse on 23rd April 1915, assembled for the purpose of investigating absence without leave from his duty, and deficiency if any in the Arms, Ammunition, Equipment, Instruments, Regimental Necessaries or clothing of 46355, Gnnr L Granville, 37 Co. RGA. This court declared that 46355 Gunner L Granville, 37 Co, illegally absented himself without leave at Fort Blockhouse, Gosport, on 30th March 1915, and that he is still so absent, and that on 30th March 1915 he was deficient, and that he is still deficient of the following arms and equipment (there lists general service items) .
Hence...slight tremor and dodgy teeth ???
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WilliamH
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11 Jan 2013 23:49 |
Colin H MacDonald could be a son :) also found a Ronald Mcdonald born about 1920 and a Jean macDonald born about 1922 on a ships manifest coming to the UK from Canada in 1924, with Elsie K MacDonald, mother
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Mary
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12 Jan 2013 09:53 |
I can only see that it says Elsie Macdonald on that shipping record with Ronald and Jean,no K initial.
Going back to his war record and the page 10 of 11 where it says wife Amelia,if you look above her name isn't that his correct info of the places he served in?
I had also seen on his enlistment that he had no next of kin.
Maryb.
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WilliamH
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12 Jan 2013 17:12 |
It defo says Elsie K Macdonald...:)
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