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Elsie Faircloth & Hector MacDonald

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WilliamH

WilliamH Report 11 Jan 2013 16:53

Elsie Kathleen MacDonald died 25 July 1986 at Pembury Hospital, Pembury, Tunbridge Wells, Kent. The death certificate also confirms her maiden name as Faircloth (spelt on the death cert as Fairclough), and her date of birth as 19.09.1895, at Penshurst, Kent. Elsie was a retired secretary, widow of Hector MacDonald, author and retired poultry farmer. Her residence at that time was 67 Warwick Park, Tunbridge Wells, Kent.
The informant was a Margaret Betty Forbes MacDonald, Elsies Daughter in Law, usual address was BenVeg, Port-e-Vulley, Maughold, Isle of Man.

this is quite exciting news for me as Hector MacDonald was actually born as Lionel George Granville, and is my Grand Uncle. He had a little bother in WW1 and changed his name to Hector MacDonald and completed his war years with the Black Watch. I wasnt aware Hector and Elsie had any children until I came across her death cert giving her daughter in laws name. If anyone knows of the family, I would be so please to hear from them.

Best regards

William

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 11 Jan 2013 16:58

William - it's possible but not very likely that anyone who knows this family or is related will see this, so I suggest you go looking for matches.
use 'search all trees' from search box above.
Good luck - and welcome to the boards!
Have you checked for any other children's births using Freebmd?
Jan

Gins

Gins Report 11 Jan 2013 17:17

Hi William

The informant might have passed on by now, or maybe not. There might be children living on the IoM who might be able to help

You can search the online telephone directory here, I think 'Ramsey' might be the closest area to the address listed on the death certificate?


http://www.manxtelecom.com/directory/search.aspx

Margee

Margee Report 11 Jan 2013 18:05

The marriage in 1921:

Marriages Mar 1921 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Faircloth Elsie K MacDonald Kingston 2a 1004
Macdonald Hector A K Faircloth Kingston 2a 1004

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 11 Jan 2013 18:28

Name: Hector Angus Stewart Kenneth MacDonald
Probate Date: 9 Dec 1957
Death Date: 14 Oct 1957
Death Place: Tunbridge Wells
Registry: London, England


Administration to Elsie Kathleen MacDonald widow. Effects £256. 7s. 6d.

Deaths Dec 1957 MACDONALD Hector A 64 Hailsham 5h 348

Gins

Gins Report 11 Jan 2013 18:31

Nice find girls :-)

Margee

Margee Report 11 Jan 2013 18:43

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
about Hector Angus Kenneth Macdonald Name: Hector Angus Kenneth Macdonald
Birth Date: abt 1894
Age: 53
Port of Departure: Mombasa, Kenya
Arrival Date: 30 Mar 1947
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ports of Voyage: Mombasa
Ship Name: Almanzora
Search Ship Database: View the 'Almanzora' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Royal Mail Lines Ltd
Official Number: 136353


He's with Elsie Kathleen, 51, heading to c/o Mrs. Whibley, Penhurst Rd., Leigh, Kent. he's an industrial chemist. Last permanent residence Kenya.

Industrial chemist? Far cry from author & poultry farmer!

Margee

Margee Report 11 Jan 2013 18:48

UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
about Hector Angus Macdonald Name: Hector Angus Macdonald
Gender: Male
Age: 27
Birth Date: abt 1894
Departure Date: 4 Mar 1921
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Mombasa, Kenya
Ship Name: Nevasa
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Nevasa' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: British India Shipping and Navigation Company, Limited
Official Number: 133102
Master: R Henderson

He's a journalist here. With wife Elsie, 25. His last permanent residence was Scotland, hers England. This must have been right after their marriage.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 11 Jan 2013 18:51

Thank Gins :-)

Yes Margee an Industrial Chemist - perhaps he wrote about Industrial Chemistry!

He didn't half like to add a middle name when he changed his name!

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 11 Jan 2013 18:55

Welcome to the boards William.........you might already have this info.........


1901 England Census
about Elsie Kathleen Faircloth
Name: Elsie Kathleen Faircloth
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Faircloth
Mother's Name: Lucy Faircloth
Gender: Female
Where born: Leigh, Kent, England

Civil parish: Leigh
Ecclesiastical parish: Leigh St Mary
Town: Leigh
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Sevenoaks
Sub-registration district: Penshurst
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 80
Piece: 750
Folio: 34
Page Number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
William Faircloth 49
Lucy Faircloth 47
William Faircloth 20
Charles Herbert Faircloth 15
Ethel Ann Faircloth 9
Elsie Kathleen Faircloth 5
Lucy Goldsmith 78 (Mother in Law)


Marriages Dec 1878 (>99%)
FAIRCLOTH William Sevenoaks 2a 913
Goldsmith Lucy Sevenoaks 2a 913



alviegal

alviegal Report 11 Jan 2013 19:21

1911 census transcription details for: 29 Norman Road Wimbledon
Print Close

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN3486 RG78PN130 RD40 SD1 ED24 SN14
Reg. District: Kingston
Sub District: Wimbledon
Parish: Wimbledon
Enum. District: 24
Address: 29 Norman Road Wimbledon
County: Surrey
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
GRANVILLE, Lionel Enoch Head Married M 42 1869 House Painter Mitcham Surrey
GRANVILLE, Elizabeth Sarah Wife Married
19 years F 42 1869 Office Cleaner Wandsworth Surrey
GRANVILLE, Edward Frank Son Single M 11 1900 School Brixton Surrey
GRANVILLE, Stanley Blois Son Single M 9 1902 Wandsworth Surrey
GRANVILLE, Lucy Annie Daughter Single F 4 1907 Wimbledon Surrey
GRANVILLE, Edith Florie Daughter Single F 2 1909 Wimbledon Surrey
GRANVILLE, Lionel George Son Single M 17 1894 Shop Assistant Tea Grocers Wandsworth Surrey


Posting a message on this board may bring you some answers.

http://www.isleofman.com/genealogy/

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 11 Jan 2013 19:23

Maybe Relevant?

Name: Colin H Macdonald
Birth Date: abt 1922
Age: 27
Port of Departure: Cape Town, South Africa
Arrival Date: 11 Mar 1949
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ports of Voyage: Cape Town
[Durban]
[Beira]
[Dar es Salaam]
[Mombasa]
[Southampton]
Ship Name: Oranjefontein
Search Ship Database: View the 'Oranjefontein' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Holland Africa Line
Official Number: 6217


Embarked at Mombasa, Occupation, coffee taster. Last place of residence Kenya. Going to 122 Upper Grosvenor Road, Tunbridge Wells, Kent.



Mary

Mary Report 11 Jan 2013 20:08

He also went under the name of Hector lionel Macdonald born Ross-Shire Scotland 28/7/1893.
Enlisted in The Royal Army Service Corps 22/11/1919 no50219
Journalist of 73 Merton Road Wimbledon SW.There are 11 pages and on the 10th page says next of kin wife Amelia in Syracuse? New York
prior to that in The Royal Highlanders.
Info on Ancestry Military records.


Lionel George Granville deserted 30/3/1915,maybe joined in Perth 13/4/1915. as Hector Lionel Macdonald

Maryb.

WilliamH

WilliamH Report 11 Jan 2013 20:26

Thanks all.....Ive got all that info....., except the Colin H Macdonald connection...thanks very much for that....Ill look up the directory for IoM, didnt think of that one.....Im hoping that GR will throw up the family....I fear that they were born overseas though, probably in Kenya.

I understand Hector was a chemist at the Kakamega Gold Mine (or one of them) He disappeared fairly soon after his marriage to Elsie (marriedjanuary 1921 and departed for Kenya March 1921.

There maybe a Canadian connection too...he certainly laid down plenty of false trails...but then again, he had to, deserters weren't well thought of, even though he finished the war a hero.

Thanks for all your help friends

(btw I'm a returnee to GR, having been in the Ancestry wilderness for a while :-D

William

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 11 Jan 2013 20:38

Welcome back William!

I've been looking at those military records and comparing the physical characteristics:

Lionel George Granville was 5' 11" tall, weighed 130lb in 1915. Fair complexion, hazel eyes and dark brown hair. Scar on right elbow and mole in centre of back.

Hector Lionel Macdonald was 5' 10½" tall, weighed 141lb in 1919. Fresh complexion, grey eyes, brown hair. Defective upper teeth and a slight tremor.

WilliamH

WilliamH Report 11 Jan 2013 21:52

Hi MarieCeleste

Ive got a photo of him as Hector in his Black Watch uniform and also as Lionel in his RGA uniform. Also Ive been able to compare some of his handwriting, and as well as that, the addresses he uses on various forms also tie in.

"Hector Lionel MacDonald enlisted in the Royal Army Service Corp, in Kingston Upon Thames, Surrey aged 27 years 120 days, a short service with colours of one year. This gives a birth place of Ross-shire, Scotland, occupation, journalist, unmarried. It also gives up his service with the 9th Royal Highlanders Black watch Regiment, service number s/8663, rank Sargent, from which service he was de-mobbed on 6th March 1919. The date of this re-enlistment was 21st November 1919, service number 50219. This records former service in the “highlanders” which was allowed for qualifying service for pension 2 years 227 days, and 3 years 327 days as sailor. Date of discharge on this document is 20.11.1920, and the address documented here is 73 Merton Road, Wimbledon, SW.
Hector declares no next of kin on this record.

WilliamH

WilliamH Report 11 Jan 2013 22:02

The document “report on wounds or other injuries, received otherwise than in action” shows some other possible background to LGGs desertion. 46355 Gunner L Granville was admitted to hospital on 8th Feb 1915, suffering from fracture of jaw. It is noted that the disability was of a serious nature, but “will not” interfere with his future performance as a soldier. LGG claims on this form that his injury came about during the performance of his military duty at the time of the accident, and it is signed 20.3.1915, at station Cosham. The Cosham Hospital record also shows his admittance on 8.2.1915, and discharge on 20.3.1915.

The paymaster document of 30th March 1915 shows the Cr balance of 18/- 6d for 46355 Gunner Granville LG, was accounted for in the casualty pay list of June 1915, for 37 Co, RGA .

Record of the declaration of the court of inquiry assembled at Fort Blockhouse on 23rd April 1915, assembled for the purpose of investigating absence without leave from his duty, and deficiency if any in the Arms, Ammunition, Equipment, Instruments, Regimental Necessaries or clothing of 46355, Gnnr L Granville, 37 Co. RGA.
This court declared that 46355 Gunner L Granville, 37 Co, illegally absented himself without leave at Fort Blockhouse, Gosport, on 30th March 1915, and that he is still so absent, and that on 30th March 1915 he was deficient, and that he is still deficient of the following arms and equipment (there lists general service items) .

Hence...slight tremor and dodgy teeth ???

WilliamH

WilliamH Report 11 Jan 2013 23:49

Colin H MacDonald could be a son :)
also found a Ronald Mcdonald born about 1920 and a Jean macDonald born about 1922 on a ships manifest coming to the UK from Canada in 1924, with Elsie K MacDonald, mother

Mary

Mary Report 12 Jan 2013 09:53

I can only see that it says Elsie Macdonald on that shipping record with Ronald and Jean,no K initial.

Going back to his war record and the page 10 of 11 where it says wife Amelia,if you look above her name isn't that his correct info of the places he served in?

I had also seen on his enlistment that he had no next of kin.

Maryb.

WilliamH

WilliamH Report 12 Jan 2013 17:12

It defo says Elsie K Macdonald...:)