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amanda louise

amanda louise Report 13 Jan 2013 10:02

Hi everyone
How do you know if you have found the right ancestor's birth records if there is no mothers maiden name? I am trying to trace my whole family back asfar as possible and at the moment I am having great difficulty tracing great grandmothers family.
My great grandmother's married name was Ellen Ruth Herbert born 1912 she passed in 1990 her maiden name was Herbert her mothers maiden name was Long I do know that they were from Bristol and at some point my great grandmother ended up in Pontardawe where she married my greatgrandfather William Henry Stevenson. I am unsure if her family came to Pontardawe aswell.
My greatgrandmother had sisters Edith, Rose, Harriott and brothers Ernest or Ernie, Ron or Ronald and Stan or Stanley. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank You Amanda :-)

Potty

Potty Report 13 Jan 2013 10:09

Hi Amanda


Is this her birth:

Births Dec 1912 (>99%)
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Herbert Ellen R Long Bristol 6a 237

Potty

Potty Report 13 Jan 2013 10:12

Possible marriage for parents:

Marriages Dec 1903 (>99%)
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DAWSON Frederick William Bristol 6a 142
Herbert William Henry Bristol 6a 142
Long Ruth Bristol 6a 142
SOUTHWOOD Alice Maud Bristol 6a 142

Do you have Ellen's birth cert for her mother's first name?

amanda louise

amanda louise Report 13 Jan 2013 10:12

Yes that is her birth I found that no problem at all but I don't seem to be able to find the others which is quite infuriating and I can't find mothers birth records either

amanda louise

amanda louise Report 13 Jan 2013 10:16

Who are Dawson Frederick William Bristol 6a 142 and Southwood Alice Maude Bristol 6a 142 ? Sorry I am quite new to this :-S

Potty

Potty Report 13 Jan 2013 10:17

The above couple in 1911 - the children's names agree with some of those in your original post:

1911 England Census
about William Henry Herbert
Name: William Henry Herbert
Age in 1911: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Leicester
Civil parish: Bristol
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street Address: 39 Dean St, St George, Redfield, Bristol
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: stoker
Registration district: Bristol
Registration District Number: 319
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 40
Piece: 14949
Household Members: Name Age
William Henry Herbert 31
Ruth Herbert 29
Ernest William 7
Harriett Elizabeth 5
William Henry 2


PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 13 Jan 2013 10:19

Siblings....

Births Sep 1914 (>99%)
Herbert Edith L Long Bristol 6a 266

Was Rose a twin?

Births Sep 1917 (>99%)
Herbert Rose Long Pontardawe 11a 1745
Herbert Violet Long Pontardawe 11a 1745



Births Dec 1919 (>99%)
Herbert Stanley J Long Pontardawe 11a 2201


Births Jun 1921 (>99%)
HERBERT Ronald G Long Pontardawe 11a 2382


Births Sep 1926 (>99%)
Herbert Edna P Long Pontardawe 11a 1691

amanda louise

amanda louise Report 13 Jan 2013 10:19

Unfortunatley not, I know that the family were from Bristol so I searched all birth recordds relating to Ellen Ruth Herbert born 1912 and Long was the only match.

amanda louise

amanda louise Report 13 Jan 2013 10:24

I am unsure if Rose had a twin I asked my mother about Violet and she remebers something but wasn't sure of details. They could all quite possibley be her siblings

amanda louise

amanda louise Report 13 Jan 2013 10:24

Back in a few min :-)

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 13 Jan 2013 10:35

Dawson and Southwood are another couple that married on the same day,

Potty

Potty Report 13 Jan 2013 10:35

Sorry, Amanda.- marriages are recorded two per page - I posted all four people as it only a possible marriage for your couple but looking at the 1911 census, I would think that is the correct marriage. You can order the cert on line from the GRO. quoting the volumn and page nos given above.

Potty

Potty Report 13 Jan 2013 10:40

To find the births for the children born after the above census, use freebmd:

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

Search using Herbert for the surnam and Long for MMN. For the ones born before 1911, you can only use the surname

Edit:

I see PH has found them for you.

Potty

Potty Report 13 Jan 2013 10:42

There are possible births for Ruth Long on freebmd but you would be better buying the marriage cert to find out her father's name and then trying to find her on the census. There is more than one of the same name born about the same time in the right area.

amanda louise

amanda louise Report 13 Jan 2013 10:49

Thank you all you are fantastic <3

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 13 Jan 2013 10:50

You can rule this one out..........

1891 England Census
about Ruth Long
Name: Ruth Long
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Isaac Long
Mother's Name: Jane Long
Gender: Female
Where born: Bristol

Civil parish: St Nicholas
Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Bristol
Sub-registration district: Castle Precincts
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1959
Folio: 92
Page Number: 24
Household Members: Name Age
Isaac Long 35
Jane Long 35
Minnie Long 11
Ruth Long 9
Mabel Long 6


She went on to marry Theodore Enwright and she appears married in the 1901 and 1911 census.

amanda louise

amanda louise Report 13 Jan 2013 10:52

Thank you Potty, what does GRO stand for? :-S

amanda louise

amanda louise Report 13 Jan 2013 10:55

Thank you PricklyHolly

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 13 Jan 2013 11:00

GRO - General Register Office

Here is a link to where to order the certificates from Amanda. They cost £9.25 each. Do not order from other sites as they will cost more.

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

amanda louise

amanda louise Report 13 Jan 2013 11:02

Just confirmed that Rose and Violet are twins :-)