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thanks mgnv
I've taken your directions and managed to find how to access the family group search, quite different from the old way, just need to work out how to get a family group sheet together, will let you know if I manage to do it. Christine

Re family sheets - the info is there, but it's not explicitly stated that it comes from a family sheet.
There was one useful one in my tree - it gave 5 sisters of my gg gran - at least, I'm confident it did, although I've only checked 3 of them out.

So here's how I get mine. I start at:
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_KINGDOM_IRELAND
Select the collection of interest - here
International Genealogical Index (IGI)
This search screen is headed by a radio buttonm selecting between:
Community Indexed IGI (Vital and church records from the early 1500s to 1885)
Community Contributed IGI (Personal family information submitted to the LDS Church)

So here I selected "contributed", and searched for kids of Robert Shand & Jane England - I get:
Search Results for Community Contributed IGI
1-5 of 5 results for > Father Name: robert shand, Mother Name: jane england

Christina Shand
International Genealogical Index (IGI)
birth: ABT 1800 Aberdour,? Aberdeen,? Scotland
death: 10 JAN 1868 Aberdour,? Aberdeen,? Scotland
parents: Robert Shand,? Jane England

Jane Shand
International Genealogical Index (IGI)
birth: ABT 1802 Aberdour,? Aberdeen,? Scotland
death: 23 APR 1889 Aberdour,? Aberdeen,? Scotland
parents: Robert Shand,? Jane England

Isabella Shand
International Genealogical Index (IGI)
birth: ABT 1804 Aberdour,? Aberdeen,? Scotland
death: 21 JUL 1887 Pitsligo,? Aberdeen,? Scotland
parents: Robert Shand,? Jane England

Helen Shand
International Genealogical Index (IGI)
birth: ABT 1811 Aberdour,? Aberdeen,? Scotland
death: 15 JUN 1887 Fraserburgh,? Aberdeen,? Scotland
parents: Robert Shand,? Jane England

Marjorie Shand
International Genealogical Index (IGI)
birth: ABT 1823 Aberdour,? Aberdeen,? Scotland
death: 15 DEC 1901 Savoch,? Aberdeen,? Scotland
parents: Robert Shand,? Jane England


I reckon the submitter had the d.certs, since there's an exact d.o.d. for all 5, and computed the birth date from the age.
Helen was the first one I checked - she died 15/6/1877 a=76. Her d.cert names her parents (it's a Scottish d.cert) and says Helen Grieve was a widow of William.
So her pob could be gotten from the census - e.g.,

Piece: SCT1851/196 Place: Fraserburgh -Aberdeenshire Enumeration District: 3
Civil Parish: Fraserburgh Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 181 Page: 13 Schedule: 53
Address: Manse Street
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Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
GREIVE William Head M M 46 Carter Aberdeenshire - New Deer
GREIVE Hellen Wife M F 43 Aberdeenshire - Aberdour
GREIVE Hellen Dau - F 12 Aberdeenshire - Tyrie
GREIVE George Son - M 9 Scholar Aberdeenshire - Tyrie
GREIVE Mary Dau - F 7 Aberdeenshire - Tyrie
GREIVE Christian Dau - F 3 Aberdeenshire - Tyrie
GRIEVE William Son - M 8m Aberdeenshire - Fraserbro

You should have a careful look at the FS URL I gave - they've a lot more stuff now.

To mgnv

I now have google chrome and am able to access IGI familysearch.org without any problems.

I'm with you on the fact that William could have had the surname Williams, lots of research to be done regarding this and Sue in Leeds is helping me narrow things down. Hopefully we will get to the bottom of it.

Just one question, in the old days (like one or two years ago) on the IGI site you used to be able to get a family group sheet, I think it was by typing in the batch number, I have a few printouts which were helpful and I refer to even now, it didn't always work but in some cases it did, I can't see how to get them now, do you know how this can be done or have they scraped it.

Regards Christine

Sue I have replied to your emails - Thanks Chrisine

To Lancashire Ann - I have jumped in the water head first and have downloaded Google Chrome its free.

I've realised the problem with my computer was because I didn't install a very important windows update which was SP1 (Service Pack 1) if I had done that instead of ignoring it all my problems wouldn't have happened.

My instinct was to blame my internet service provider because I only had problems with speed on the internet, they helped me a great deal to get my internet running up to speed but at the cost of disabling some of my add ons which was most annoying but speed and access was key in my mind.

Although I had my speed up to date as far as the internet was concerned I was still unable to access the IGI or familysearch.org site because it kept saying my browser was not compatible, by this time I realised I needed to install the windows update service pack 1, unfortunately because my add ons were disabled I was not able to update, so I decided to install Google Chrome, my though was I had nothing to lose.

I went on to family search site got the message at the top my internet browser was not compatible with their site, I clicked on choose another browser and chose Google Chrome it only takes a few minutes to install and its free.
I have even downloaded all my favourites from Internet Explorer to Google and can access my most used sites just the same as when on Internet Explorer, I shall keep both on the computer and if one fails me I will use the other.

It might be worth you looking into doing the same to fix your problems, if you have any questions I will be glad to help if I can.

Regards Christine

William Aaron marriage

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Print Close Name: AARON, William
Registration district: Stoke on Trent
County: Staffordshire
Year of registration: 1876
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 6B
Page no: 264

MarriageFinder: William Aaron married one of the following people:


>>>HOLAN, Margaret
STEVENS, Martha
FERN, George

1881 census transcription details for: 8, Chell St, Stoke Upon Trent

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 2720
Folio: 11
Page: 16
Reg. District: Stoke upon Trent
Sub District: Hanley
Parish: Stoke upon Trent
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 8, Chell St, Stoke Upon Trent
County: Staffordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
AARON, William Head Married M 32 1849 Collier
Cefn Mawr, Wales
AARON, Margaret Wife Married F 25 1856
Mayo, Ireland
AARON, William Son Single M 7 1874 Scholar
Hanley, Staffordshire
AARON, John Son Single M 4 1877 Scholar
Hanley, Staffordshire
AARON, Ellen Daughter Single F 2 1879
Hanley, Staffordshire
AARON, James Son Single M 7 1874
Hanley, Staffordshire
BREANON, James Lodger Head Single M 20 1861 Labourer
Manchester, Lancashire
BREANON, William Lodger Single M 15 1866 C.Pit Boy
Stone, Staffordshire


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1891 census transcription details for: Pit Row, Ferryhill, Ferry Hill
Print Close
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 4056
Folio: 98
Page: 21
Reg. District: Stockton
Sub District: Sedgefield
Parish: Ferryhill
Enum. District: 14
Ecclesiastical District: St Lukes
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Pit Row, Ferryhill, Ferry Hill
County: Durham
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
AARON, William Head Married M 41 1850 Coal Miner
Wales
AARON, Margaret Wife Married F 35 1856
Ireland Co Mayo
AARON, James Son Single M 16 1875 Coal Miner
Hanley, Staffordshire
AARON, John Son M 13 1878 Coal Miner
Hanley, Staffordshire
AARON, Ellen Daughter F 11 1880 Scholar
Hanley, Staffordshire
AARON, William Son M 9 1882 Scholar
Howle, Co Durham
AARON, Mary Daughter F 7 1884 Scholar
Howle, Co Durham
AARON, Margaret Ann Daughter F 3 1888
Howle, Co Durham
AARON, Ruth Daughter F 1 1890
Howle, Co Durham
BRANNON, James Boarder Single M 30 1861 Mason Labourer
Manchester, Lancashire


1901 census transcription details for: East Howle Old Row, Ferryhill, East Howle Metal Bridge

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 4632
Folio: 181
Page: 9
Reg. District: Sedgefield
Sub District: Cornforth
Parish: Ferryhill
Enum. District: 10
Ecclesiastical District: Ferryhill St Luke
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: East Howle Old Row, Ferryhill, East Howle Metal Bridge
County: Durham
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
AARON, William Head Widower M 51 1850 Coal Hewer
Puabon, Denbighshire, Wales
AARON, Ellen Daughter Single F 21 1880
Hanley, Staffordshire
AARON, William Son Single M 19 1882 Putter In Coal Mine
East Howle, Durham
AARON, Margaret A Daughter F 13 1888
East Howle, Durham
AARON, Ruth Daughter F 11 1890
East Howle, Durham
AARON, Arthur Son M 8 1893
East Howle, Durham



1911 census transcription details for: 23 Parker T'ce Ferryhill Court Durham

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN29696 RG78PN1720 RD546 SD2 ED15 SN206
Reg. District: Sedgefield
Sub District: Cornforth
Parish: Ferryhill
Enum. District: 15
Address: 23 Parker T'ce Ferryhill Court Durham
County: Durham

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
AARON, William Head Widower M 61 1850 Aged Miner Pentre N Wales
AARON, William Son Single M 29 1882 Coal Miner Hewer Durham Ferryhill
AARON, Ruth Daughter Single F 21 1890 Durham Ferryhill
AARON, Arthur Son Single M 19 1892 Coal Miner Putter Durham Ferryhill
MURPHY, Margaret Granddaughter F 6 1905 Durham Ferryhill
DAVIES, James Boarder Single M 34 1877 Blacksmith Staffordshire


Death of William Aaron.
Civil Registration event: Death

Name: AARON, William
Registration district: Sedgefield
County: Durham
Year of registration: 1932
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at death: 83
Volume no: 10A
Page no: 199



Margaret Aaron Death..

Civil Registration event: Death

Name: AARON, Margaret
Registration district: Sedgefield
County: Durham
Year of registration: 1896
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 39
Volume no: 10A
Page no: 45

just another thought Chris

is this the URL you are using

https://familysearch.org/

there are one or too other slight variations to this which do not work as normal as they seem to be making some changes to the familysearch web pages

This is my ggg grandparents' marr:

groom's name: William Slessor
bride's name: Christian Slessor
marriage date: 23 Dec 1820
marriage place: Old Deer,Aberdeen,Scotland
indexing project (batch) number: M11228-5
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 993350
reference number:
Citing this Record
"Scotland, Marriages, 1561-1910," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTJM-J3L : accessed 15 Jan 2013), William Slessor and Christian Slessor, 23 Dec 1820; citing reference , FHL microfilm 993350.

However, William lived in the next parish, so banns had to be proclaimed there, too.
Note FS don't distinguish between marrs and banns in this collection:

groom's name: William Slessor
bride's name: Christian Slessor
marriage date: 21 Dec 1820
marriage place: Longside,Aberdeen,Scotland
indexing project (batch) number: M11218-5
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 993340
reference number:
Citing this Record
"Scotland, Marriages, 1561-1910," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTNR-Y6F : accessed 15 Jan 2013), William Slessor and Christian Slessor, 21 Dec 1820; citing reference , FHL microfilm 993340.



I'ld suggest you google for Chrome download, and then download their free browser.
If you get the choice, you could decline making Chrome your default browser.

I have both IE and Chrome on my PC. I mostly use Chrome, but I do use IE for some things, like Windows updates and accessing FreeCEN.
If I do a copy & paste from FreeCEN, Chrome gives me pretty big indents on the body of the census, much bigger than IE, not that you can tell from below, as GR reformats things a bit:

Piece: SCT1841/218 Place: Longside -Aberdeenshire Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: Longside Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 1 Page: 6
Address: Hillhead Of Mintlaw
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
SLESSOR Wm M 55 Carrier Aberdeenshire
SLESSOR Chris F 45 Aberdeenshire
Page: 1/7 SLESSOR Jane F 10 Aberdeenshire
SLESSOR John M 8 Aberdeenshire
SLESSOR Jas M 6 Aberdeenshire


I wonder if William Aron was rego'ed as William Williams - there were a couple of births in Ruabon, Checking the local refs of the other names on the same page, we can say the Ruabon births correspond to:

Births Jun 1849 (>99%)
Williams William Wrexham 27 292

Births Dec 1849 (>99%)
WILLIAMS William Wrexham 27 237

Using http://www.northwalesbmd.org.uk/
North Wales Birth indexes for the years: 1849
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WILLIAMS William Ruabon Wrexham County Borough (Wrexham) RBN/010/15
WILLIAMS William Ruabon Wrexham County Borough (Wrexham) RBN/010/78

Thanks Chris for your post, well we now definately have the 1st marriage for James Aaron sorted, thankyou to the kind member who sent me the parish register copy of the marriage (I have emailed you a thankyou reply).

Andy I have checked my GGrandmothers birth certificate the surname spelling on that certificate is Ahern which is why I had trouble finding her birth record and took a gamble which paid off. As I look more closely at it, it could easily be transcribed as Aharn also, I guess the transcriber took a guess.

I've not been able to find anything on what happened to William their son, he is not living with James and his second wife Ann on the 1861 Census, I've just assumed he died also but haven't pinned down a death for him yet.

Lancashire Ann I'm not up with computer stuff but I am running internet explorer for windows 7 apparently, everytime I try to access the igi site it stuffs up my computer and it runs very slow, I've recently contacted our telco out of sheer frustration and they have changed my internet explorer to one without any add-ons which is working fine with every site except IGI, IGI tells me to change my browser but when I click on change browser button nothing happens and I have to control alt delete. I don'tt know why they can't just tell us what browser will work with their site, if anyone knows could you let me know. I'm also scared of changing browser because I don't know what will happen to my computer and info I have on it, I'm assuming its ok to change browser without any effect on my computer not sure if I'm willing to take the risk. If any one else has experienced this problem with IGI site let us know what to do please.

Many thanks to all
Christine

Marriage (Find My Past website)

Grooms Last Name:Aaron (Collier)
Grooms First Name:James
Grooms Fathers First Name:Maurice (Forgeman)
Grooms Fathers Last Name:Aaron
Grooms Parish:
Grooms Age:21
Brides Last Name:Williams
Brides First Name:Ellen
Brides Fathers First Name:William (Collier)
Brides Fathers Last Name:Williams
Brides Parish:
Brides Age:20
County:Denbighshire
Place / Parish:Ruabon
Marriage Year:1850
Marriage Month:Feb
Marriage Day:16
Banns Year:
Banns Month:
Banns Day:
Page:5
Record source:Denbigh marriages - Transcripts
Data provider:Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau Archifau Cymru

Chris :)

(note to Andy) just goes to show Andy, you can't leave us, we need you!!...

'my browser is not compatible'

are you using firefox?

when I try on there it gives me some strange pages which do not seem to be usable though it is fine on my laptop with a slightly different windows version (I think one is Windows 7 pro and the other windows 7 home)

if this is your problem try using IE instead - not tried on google chrome

Thanks Andy - I think you might be onto something here, I know there have been a lot of misspellings regarding this surname, thanks once again I'll let my relative know what you've discovered I'm sure she will be over the moon as am I.

Chris

How about this as a possible death for Ellen

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
about Ellen Aharn
Name: Ellen Aharn
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1851
Registration district: Wrexham
Inferred County: Denbighshire
Volume: 27
Page: 231

Andy

Thankyou Sue for explaining that.

Ellen Williams was James Aarons first wife and they had a child William according to the 1851 Census (surname misspelt as Aron). My Great Grandmother was James Aarons daughter but to his second wife. We have only just received the Certificate for the marriage of James Aaron and Ann Jones married in Ruabon Denbighshire in 1852 and to our surprise found that he was a Widower when he married Ann Jones hence the search for his first wife.

Unfortunately I have been unable to find deaths for Ellin and William Aaron, however I have found deaths for an Ellen and William Williams which was Ellens maiden name registered in JFM 1851 Wrexham Denbighshire, not sure what I should make of it, if anyone has any suggestions would love to hear from you, no deaths under surname Aaron?

Chris
it is the same marriage,
The earlier date is when the vicar says the Banns in church and has to do for at least 3 weeks before the couple can get married.

Thye would have married on the 16 Feb 1850.

Thankyou Andy
I'm not sure what you mean by the earlier entry relating to Banns, but you think it is the same marriage?

From Freebmd

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1850 (>99%)
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Aaron James Wrexham 27 386
Williams Ellen Wrexham 27 386


It could be the earlier entry relates to Banns

Andy

Could someone please access the familysearch.org site for me and check these marriages. Unfortunately I am unable to access the site as my browser is not compatible (whatever that means). This information was sent to me by a relative but I've noticed that the two marriages are on different dates and want to check if it could be the same couple but mixed up dates, I've found a possible family on the 1851 Wales Census surname spelt Aron but not for two James Aarons married with wife Ellin Aaron.

James Aaron
Wales, Denbighshire, Parish Registers, 1538-1912

06 Jan 1850 Ruabon, Denbighshire, Wales

spouse Ellin Williams

Ellen Williams, "Wales, Denbighshire, Parish Registers, 1538-1912"

name: James Aaron

event: Marriage

event date: 16 Feb 1850

event place: Ruabon, Denbighshire, Wales

age: 21

estimated birth year: 1829

spouse: Ellen Williams

film number:
digital folder number: 004229523

Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks Chris