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George Reed/Read married to Elizabeth Scarr

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Caroline

Caroline Report 15 Jan 2013 01:42

I have found info from both 1861 & 1871 census but cannot find anything on either 1851 or 1881 census.

Info I have is as follows:

George Read born c1812 cabman
Elizabeth Read born c1829 wife
George born c1849 son
William born c1852 son
Emma born c1857 daughter
Charles (or John) born c1858 son
Elizabeth born c1861 daughter
Jane born c1863 daughter
Fredericka born c1864 daughter
Charlotte born c1868 daughter

Marriage occurred in Apr-May-Jun quarter of 1850 in Islington, London between George Frederick Reed and Elizabeth Lucy Scarr.

In 1861 census, George snr is born in "Suffolk, Halham"
In 1871 census this has changed to Middx.
All other family members are listed on both census' as born in Middx or London.

If anyone could provide further details or offer any ideas on what I should do next, I would be very appreciative.

NB: I have previously posted regarding Reed/Read but became very confused as so many kind people gave directions. I deleted that post as I had become very confused and was reading the same over and over. I am extremely grateful for the help that has been given.
I am in no way an expert, and found the huge amount of information difficult to cope with in one post. I have printed that off and have been able to work through it now and make it clearer for myself. Can I say again how very grateful I am for the help that has been given, I would not be as far as I am without it.



:-)

Lynski

Lynski Report 15 Jan 2013 01:59

1851 census ??????

REED, George Head Married M 31 1820 Cab Driver Suffolk VIEW
REED, Elizabeth Wife Married F 24 1827 City Cannon ST VIEW
REED, George Son M 2 1849 Clerkenwell, Middlesex VIEW

Piece: 1516
Folio: 493
Page: 17
Registration District: Clerkenwell
Civil Parish: Clerkenwell
Municipal Borough: Finsbury
Address: 11, Great Bath Street, Clerkenwell, Finsbury
County: Middlesex

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 15 Jan 2013 08:26

Name: George Frederick Reed (Widower) (Cordwainer)
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804
Age: 46
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Lucy Scarr (Widow)
Spouse Age: 32
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 24 Jun 1850
Parish: Canonbury St Paul
Borough: Islington
Father Name: James Reed (Builder)
Spouse Father Name: James Allison (Mate)
Register Type: Parish Register
(address for both, 17, Nottingham Place)

Chris :)

(not sure if given previously?)


1871 (your references)
READ, George Head M 59 1812 Middlesex (Paddington) (Cabdriver)
READ, Elizabeth Wife F 42 1829 Middlesex
READ, William Son M 19 1852 London
READ, Emma Daughter F 14 1857 London
READ, Charles Son M 13 1858 London
READ, Elizabeth Daughter F 10 1861 London
READ, Jane Daughter F 8 1863 London
READ, Fredricka Daughter F 7 1864 London
READ, Charlotte Daughter F 3 1868 London
Piece: 215
Folio: 27
Page: 48
Registration District: Pancras
Civil Parish: St Pancras
Municipal Borough:
Address: Peace Cottages, St Pancras, London
County: London, Middlesex

1861
READ, George Head Married M 49 1812 Cabman
Hallham, Suffolk
READ, Elizabeth Wife Married F 32 1829
St Pancras, Middlesex
READ, George Son Unmarried M 12 1849 Scholar
St Pancras, Middlesex
READ, William Son Unmarried M 9 1852 Scholar
St Pancras, Middlesex
READ, Emma Daughter Unmarried F 4 1857
St Pancras, Middlesex
READ, John Son Unmarried M 2 1859
St Pancras, Middlesex
READ, Elizabeth Daughter Unmarried F 0 (9M) 1861
St Pancras, Middlesex
GALLOWAY, George Boarder Widower M 47 1814 Cabman
Windsor, Berkshire
Piece: 104
Folio: 84
Page: 61
Registration District: Pancras
Civil Parish: St Pancras
Municipal Borough:
Address: 13, Hastings Street, St Pancras, London
County: London

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 15 Jan 2013 08:47

1851 ?
SCARR, William Head Married M 48 1803 Law Writer
London
SCARR, Elizabeth Wife Married F 33 1818
Woolwich, Kent
SCARR, William Son Unmarried M 18 1833 Messenger
St Andrew, Middlesex
SCARR, Elizabeth Daughter Unmarried F 15 1836 Scholar
St Clement Danes, Middlesex
REED, George Cousin Widower M 48 1803 Cord Wainer
St Clement Danes, Middlesex
Piece: 1513
Folio: 527
Page: 48
Registration District: Holborn
Civil Parish: St Andrew Holborn Above Bars
Municipal Borough: Finsbury
Address: 8, Bishops Head Court, St Andrew Holborn Above Bars, Finsbury
County: Middlesex

Chris :)


(Do you have any Birth Certs. of children, to get maiden name of Elizabeth?)...

Caroline

Caroline Report 15 Jan 2013 11:05

Thank you so much for your help. Will dissect the information given now.

I don't have the certificates - money is tight (as all over!) so I have to be sure before spending any more money.

Many thanks

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 15 Jan 2013 11:20


Name: William Scarr
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Allison
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 19 Dec 1831
Parish: Westminster St Mary Le Strand
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript

NB No parents names provided on the Bishop's transcript.... also it is a poor quality image but will Pm it if you wish.

Anne

Caroline

Caroline Report 15 Jan 2013 12:49

Thank you Anne. All of the above information is very helpful. I have likened this to doing a jigsaw puzzle but without the picture on the box!

Many thanks

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 15 Jan 2013 12:56

Cert is attached to PM

Anne

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 15 Jan 2013 12:59

Not wishing to confuse you, (replies on 'Threads' do need a bit of digesting!), or repeat info. previously given, but given the surname, and it's variants, looks as though it could prove tricky finding correct Marriage without maiden name of Elizabeth...

Chris :)

Dea

Dea Report 15 Jan 2013 13:08

Isn't her maiden name 'Allison' ?? - Or have I got confused too ?? ;-)

Dea x

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 15 Jan 2013 13:13

Lol, think I'm confused Dea, wasn't sure that 1850 Marriage posted went with the census images?...

(not sure if I saw previous 'Thread')

Chris :)

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 15 Jan 2013 13:13

Oh! I see where the problem could lie.
There was an Eliz Allison who was married twice
Ist to William Scarr in 1831 and 2nd to George Reed in 1850

However, there is no guarantee that this is the correct George and Elizabeth Reid/Reed that Caroline is looking for.

Edit:
Yes something isn't right.
If Elizabeth remarried George Reid as a widow in 1850, she could not appear on an 1851 census with William Scarr, her 1st husband!

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 15 Jan 2013 13:28

Name: Elizabeth Ann Read
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 30 Jun 1860
Father's Name: George Read (Cabman)
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Ann Read
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers
(Hastings Street)

(looks to match 1861)

Chris :)

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 15 Jan 2013 13:34

This might be of interest as the witnesses were George Frederick Reed (who signed) and Elizabeth Lucy Reed (who made her mark)

Name: William Scarr (Clerk in a Newspaper Office)
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Age: 21
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Rider
Spouse Age: 18
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 29 May 1854
Parish: Shoreditch St Leonard
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: William Scarr
Spouse Father Name: James Rider
Register Type: Parish Register

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 15 Jan 2013 13:36

Deaths Dec 1876 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------
READ Elizabeth Ann 47 Pancras 1b 45

(if above is her, the Burial is on below link)


https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch

Chris :)

Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!)

Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!) Report 15 Jan 2013 13:39

Not wanting to put a spanner in the works but ... the census details given in the first post do not match the couple's details given in the marriage of 24 Jun 1850 of George Reed and Elizabeth Scarr nee Allison as the ages (and groom's occupation) are different.

In the marriage George is aged 46 (b. 1804) and Elizabeth is aged 32 (b. 1818).

Not sure which info is the correct info for what you need but you do need to work backwards from what you know for sure.

Jill

Caroline

Caroline Report 15 Jan 2013 14:00

Yes, I agree is VERY confusing! Especially as George Read/Reed is a cousin of the Scarrs!!

What I am thinking has happened is that in 1850, Mr Scarr has died and the widow marries her cousin George Reed/READ.

Elizabeth Scarr was originally Elizabeth Allison, hence name of father on her marriage to Geroge Read being James Allison.

I am wondering if Georges first wife was ALSO called Elizabeth.......? he is shown as a widower so he must have a first wife somewhere....

I am sticking with the George who is shown as a cabman/cab driver as this follows through to his youngest daughters wedding cert where he is a coachman.

If anyone has a time machine which I may use to nip back and speak to these folks, it would be immensely helpful! failing that, I am again, very grateful for your further and continuing help. :-\

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 15 Jan 2013 14:00

Wondering about this birth but wrong middle name.

Name: Elizabeth Isabella Allison
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 13 Aug 1815
Father's Name: James Allison<< Occ. looks like Mariner
Mother's Name: Sarah Allison
Parish or Poor Law Union: Woolwich St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Greenwich
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript



Ah! Yes

Name: Elizabeth Isabella Lucy Allison
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 13 Aug 1815, born 3 June
Father's Name: James Allison<<< Mariner
Mother's Name: Sarah Allison
Parish or Poor Law Union: Woolwich St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Greenwich
Register Type: Parish Registers


Looks like she was on the 1841 census with William Scarr, aged 40, William Scarr, aged 9 and Elizabeth Scarr aged 5. (For some reason the family is listed individually on Ancestry)

1841

Name: Elizabeth Scarr
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: Female
Where born: Middlesex, England
Civil parish: St Clement Danes
Hundred: Westminster
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

View image
Registration district: Strand
Sub-registration district: St Clement Danes
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 731
Book: 8
Folio: 46
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Scarr 25


She was the female witness along with George Frederick Reed at her son William's wedding in 1854 (details posted above)

It looks like she married her first husband (William Scarr b. about 1802) when she was 16 or younger if William (Junior) is her son?

Caroline

Caroline Report 15 Jan 2013 14:06

Oh now the plot REALLY thickens!!!

On my great grandmothers wedding notice, her father is listed as GEORGE GALLOWAY REED.

I now see that on the 1861 census which Chris Ho has added for me, the name of the boarder is: GEORGE GALLOWAY!! Somebody call Columbo!! :-S

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 15 Jan 2013 14:37

Like Jill, I think that there is something not quite right here.

Elizabeth (Isabella) Lucy Allison (sometime Scarr) born 3 June 1815, daughter of James Allison, Mariner and Sarah, who married George Frederick Reed in 1850 (having knocked a few years off her age?) seems to appear on the 1851 census with William Scarr, her son William and Daughter Elizabeth and William's cousin George Reed a Cordwainer.

I am totally lost!!!

I definately seem to be missing something here?

Is the George Reed on the 1851 census living with the Scarr family,the same George who married Elizabeth in 1850 please?