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22 Jan 2013 17:12 |
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOps forgot to mention that Thomas is missing from 1871 aswell!
Gill :-)
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22 Jan 2013 17:09 |
Hi everyone, thanks for all your help, you are all tremendous. I don't know whether this clears things up but here goes... Frances (Fanny) Hart born in 1842 had a daughter - Rosetta in 1864. Birth certificate shows no fahter's name. Frances marries Thoams Roberts in 1867 and Rosetta becomes Rosetta Roberts. Thomas and Frances have a daughter - Kate - in 1867 and a son Samuel in 1873. These two children were both born in London. Frances died in 1876 of smallpox in London. Rosetta appears as a servant in 1881 census in London. By that time Kate is in Leeds with her Uncle Samuel. Rosetta eventually comes to Leeds and marries George Morley and Samuel appears later in Leeds with Thomas and a new wife - Mary Ann Mayhew nee Standeven. I knew Rosetta was baptised as an adult in Haggerston and it looks from your info that Kate was also baptised in Haggerston. I cannot find Thomas in 1861 prior to his first marriage and in 1881 just after his first wife died. Gill :-) :-) :-)
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22 Jan 2013 15:24 |
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 Kate & Rosetta Roberts Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 10 Dec 1873 Father's Name: Thomas Roberts Labourer Mother's Name: Fanny Roberts Parish or Poor Law Union: Haggerston St Augustine Borough: Hackney Register Type: Parish Registers
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Rosetta Roberts Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 16 Jan 1879 Father's Name: Thomas Roberts<<Labourer in gas works Mother's Name: Fanney Roberts Parish or Poor Law Union Haggerston St Augustine Borough: Hackney Register Type: Parish Registers
West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935
Name: Rosetta Roberts Birth Year: abt 1865 Age: 22 Marriage or Bann Date: 5 Feb 1887 Parish: Holbeck, St Matthew and New Wortley, St John the Baptist Father's Name: Thomas Roberts Platelayer Spouse's Name: George Morley Spouse's Father's Name Robert Morley
All a bit odd, unless it's two different people?
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22 Jan 2013 13:50 |
London, England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1840-1911
Name: Kate Roberts Age: 8 Birth Date: 30 Jul 1867 School: Atley Road School Borough: Tower Hamlets Admission Date: 22 Nov 1875 Parent: Thomas Roberts Notes: Atley Road School (0173) opened in 1873. Remodelled in 1910. Renamed George Lansbury Primary School in 1951 Reference Number: LCC/EO/DIV05/ATL/AD/008
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22 Jan 2013 13:26 |
Lol, so more names on the 'missing list' then...
(wonders if Gillian knows of these?)
Chris :)
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22 Jan 2013 09:24 |
Thomas had a daughter Kate born 31/7/1867 married Albert Coulson in 1888 in Leeds. Rosetta Hart born Caxton Cambridgshire 24/8/1864 married George Henry Morley in Leeds named her dad on Banns as Thomas Roberts.
Can't find any of them 1871 so looks like name maybe mistranscribed.
Maryb.
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22 Jan 2013 07:57 |
(had a look round last night, but no luck)
Do you know where son Stanley was born?, as 1881 now says Caxton.
Was looking for Thomas on 1861, but couldn't see him, Fanny in Gamlingay.
Chris :)
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21 Jan 2013 12:02 |
So Annie wasnt the daughter of Thomas
1881 England Census Name: Annie Mayhew Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 Relation: Daughter Mother's Name: Mary Ann Mayhew Gender: Female Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Wortley in Bramley County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address: 21 Ducie Street Registration district: Bramley Sub-registration district: Wortley ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4504 Folio: 101 Page Number: 12 Household Members: Name Age Mary Ann Mayhew 27 Charles G. Standheaven 12 John W. Mayhew 10 Annie Mayhew 1 Arthur Armitage 19 George Hare 20 Still cant track down Tho* :-(
West Yorkshire, Non-Conformist Records, 1646-1985 Name: Annie Mayhew Birth Date: 2 Dec 1879 Event Type: Baptism Father: James Mayhew Mother: Mary Ann Mayhew Baptism Date: 17 Feb 1880 Archive Location: Leeds Parish or Chapel: Wesleyan Methodist Chapel, New Wortley Residence Place: Armley Reel Number: Holbeck, Leeds, Meadow Lane, New Wortley; LNC 8 Reference Number: OP2/21
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21 Jan 2013 11:42 |
Son Samuel a pauper born 1874 in Caxton Workhouse Cambridge in 1881.
Maryb.
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Gillian
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21 Jan 2013 11:29 |
Thanks Chris - yes definitely him.
Gins - yes Thomas re-married in 1882 to a Mary Ann Mayhew in Bramley, Leeds.
K - yes Samuel was the son of the first marriage
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21 Jan 2013 11:11 |
1901 ROBERTS, Samuel Head Married M 55 1846 Sewerage Pipe Layer Gamlingay, Cambridgeshire ROBERTS, Samuel Son Single M 16 1885 Printers Apprentice Leeds, Yorkshire ROBERTS, Thomas Brother Widower M 62 1839 Retired Railway Engine Driver Gamlingay, Cambridgeshire Piece: 4209 Folio: 115 Page: 6 Registration District: Bramley Civil Parish: Wortley Municipal Borough: Address: 39, Grange Street, Wortley County: Yorkshire (West riding)
(no further forward!, just adding above, if him)
Chris :)
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21 Jan 2013 10:25 |
Samuel was the son of the first marriage?
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Gee
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21 Jan 2013 10:22 |
So, did he marry again?
1891 England Census about Thomas Roberts Name: Thomas Roberts Age: 51 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary A Roberts Gender: Male Where born: Gamblingay, Cambridgeshire, England Civil parish: Wortley Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: Gildersome County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Bramley Sub-registration district: Wortley [Near Leeds] ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3677 Folio: 51 Page Number: 5 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Roberts 51 Mary A Roberts 39 Samuel Roberts 18 Annie M Roberts 11 Fred Roberts 7
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21 Jan 2013 10:09 |
Hi Chris - yes this is him earlier.
He was born in 1840 and he marries Frances (Fanny) Hart in Feb 1867 in Gamlingay Cambridgeshire. I know he moved to London and Fanny died in 1876 but he disappears from the 1871 and 1881 census and he appears again in Leeds in 1891 and 1901 census dying in Leeds in 1909.
Gill :-)
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21 Jan 2013 10:07 |
Cover my legs up......NEVER ;-)
We have about 2ft of snow at the moment and still falling :-(
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Chris Ho :)
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21 Jan 2013 09:58 |
https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch
(who was his wife?, can you see her Burial on above)
Chris :)
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21 Jan 2013 09:57 |
When was your Thomas born?
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21 Jan 2013 09:55 |
1851 (is this him earlier?) ROBERTS, James Head Married M 52 1799 Ag Lab Sutton, Bedfordshire ROBERTS, Ann Wife Married F 49 1802 Gamlingay, Cambridgeshire ROBERTS, James Son Unmarried M 22 1829 Ag Lab Gamlingay, Cambridgeshire ROBERTS, Joseph Son Unmarried M 20 1831 Ag Lab Gamlingay, Cambridgeshire ROBERTS, Esther Daughter Unmarried F 17 1834 Gamlingay, Cambridgeshire ROBERTS, David Son M 15 1836 Scholar Gamlingay, Cambridgeshire ROBERTS, Charles Son M 13 1838 Ag Lab Gamlingay, Cambridgeshire ROBERTS, Thomas Son M 11 1840 Ag Lab Gamlingay, Cambridgeshire ROBERTS, George Son M 9 1842 Ag Lab Gamlingay, Cambridgeshire ROBERTS, Samuel Son M 6 1845 Scholar Gamlingay, Cambridgeshire Piece: 1758 Folio: 11 Page: 15 Registration District: Caxton Civil Parish: Gamlingay Municipal Borough: Address: Sinks, Gamlingay County: Cambridgeshire
Chris :)
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21 Jan 2013 09:52 |
Delete as Its K info not the lady who ask for help person.
Sorry
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Gillian
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21 Jan 2013 09:48 |
Thanks for the help. I am looking for my great, great grandfather - Thomas Roberts who moved to London from Gamlingay and he disappears from the census returns in 1871. His wife died in 1876 in the smallpox hospial in Islington, she too is missing from the 1871census and I wondered if they were in a workhouse.
Gill
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