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A little help please.

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Simon Report 24 Jan 2013 12:04

I recently got access to the 1911 census and found out that my Great Grandfather was previously married(or at least he claims to be married on the census) before he married my Great Grandmother. My G Grandfather was Herbert Jones b 01/07/1886
His 'wife' was Alice wright born c1886 both Birmingham. They had a daughter Florence B Jones who was 7mth old at the time of the census.

I would like to get my hands on a wedding cert and a birth for Florence. I would also like to know what happened to Alice and Florence. Did they pass away before Herbert married my Great Grandmother?

I would really appreciate any help you kind people could offer me.

Many thanks

Simon Jones

Mike *

Mike * Report 24 Jan 2013 12:08

Birth cert may show that Alice was married before.

Births Dec 1910
JONES Florence B - Aston 6d 251

Mike *

Mike * Report 24 Jan 2013 12:11

Who was your Gt Grandmother ?


jerseylily Report 24 Jan 2013 12:12

Marriages Sep 1907 (>99%)

CROWLEY Alice Aston 6d 721
JONES Herbert Aston 6d 721 <<<<<<
PRICE Edward Vincent Aston 6d 721
WRIGHT Alice Beatrice Aston 6d 721 <<<<<


Maddie Report 24 Jan 2013 12:15

WRIGHT, Rebeca S Head Widow F 39 1862 Holbrooks Timbed Scrubbing
Birmingham VIEW
WRIGHT, Florence L Daughter Single F 16 1885 Pickle Bottle Fitter
Birmingham VIEW
WRIGHT, Alice B Daughter Single F 14 1887
Birmingham VIEW
WRIGHT, William Son Single M 10 1891
Birmingham VIEW
WRIGHT, Frederick E Son M 9 1892
Birmingham VIEW

Piece: 2867

Folio: 67

Page: 35

Registration District: Aston

Civil Parish: Aston

Municipal Borough:

Address: 68, Howe Street, Aston

County: Warwickshire
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jerseylily Report 24 Jan 2013 12:16

Deaths Mar 1917

JONES Alice B 30 Aston 6d 590


Simon Report 24 Jan 2013 12:17

Thanks for that. I guessed they may not be. I also discovered that my Great Grandmother had a similar story. Her children had survived and recently tracked their descendants down and put my grandfather in touch withe them. Could you find a death for Florence or Alice?


Maddie Report 24 Jan 2013 12:19


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Name: JONES, Alice B

Registration district: [?] Aston

County: Warwickshire

Year of registration: 1917

Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar

Age at death:30

Volume no: 6D

Page no: 590

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jerseylily Report 24 Jan 2013 12:20

They did marry - see post above.
Alice died 1917 - see post above

With a name like Jones it will be difficult to determine what happened to Florence although I'd hazard a guess that her middle name was Beatrice after her mother which may help.


Simon Report 24 Jan 2013 12:32

Thanks very much Everyone.

Mike - my Great grandmother was Rosetta Ellen Crew. Married my Grandfather in Oct 1917

Maddie - Herbert and Alice lived on Howe street in 1911 so that would seem correct


Kucinta Report 24 Jan 2013 13:00

There are five (edit six) Jones children born with mother maiden name Wright between 1911 and 1916 in the Aston district.

There are other potential Jones-Wright marriages (up to 1911) in the area which might account for some or all of them.


Simon Report 24 Jan 2013 15:54

Thanks Kucinta. Could you give me details of those births to add to my list of certificates to send off for.

Thanks in advance


Simon Report 24 Jan 2013 16:04

Hi Jerseylily

I was wondering how you made the link to Alice Crowley? where has the surname Crowley come from.

Apologies if i'm missing something.


Kucinta Report 24 Jan 2013 16:55


You could have checked for them yourself on freebmd

I don't know if it's worth sending off for them, as there are some other potential Jones-Wright marriages in the area as I said before, that could account for some or all of the births. (I haven't cross reffed with the 1911 census to see if the Jones males did actually marry the Wright females, and not the other brides )

Marriages Mar 1900
>>Jones Arthur Aston 6d 439
Parry Arthur Aston 6d 439
Simonds Elizabeth Aston 6d 439
>>Wright Emily Jane Aston 6d 439


Marriages Mar 1905
FELL Frederick William Aston 6d 252
>>JONES Charles Henry Aston 6d 252
Peters Mary Jane Aston 6d 252
>>WRIGHT Emily Gertrude Aston 6d 252


Marriages Sep 1910
Bradley Flora Aston 6d 720
Gooch Ernest W Aston 6d 720
>>Jones Joseph Aston 6d 720
Round Agnes A Aston 6d 720
>>Wright Mabel G Aston 6d 720


Marriages Sep 1911
Barton Alfred G Aston 6d 711
Hood Winifred M Aston 6d 711
>>Jones Frederick Aston 6d 711
>>Wright Ethel M Aston 6d 711


Kucinta Report 24 Jan 2013 17:02

Alice Crowley is merely the other bride recorded on the same register page, 721, who presumably married the other groom, namely Edward Vincent Price.

Jerseylily actually indicated Herbert Jones and Alice Beatrice Wright.


Kucinta Report 24 Jan 2013 17:26

Births Dec 1911 Jones Cyril G Wright Aston 6d 702

Births Sep 1912 Jones Frederick D Wright Aston 6d 752

Births Sep 1913 Jones Nora Wright Aston 6d 1093

Births Jun 1914 JONES William E Wright Aston 6d 977

Births Mar 1915 Jones Eric N Wright Aston 6d 1075

Births Sep 1916 Jones Ida Wright Aston 6d 959

I can't find any further Jones-Wright births after 1916 in Aston, though freebmd is a bit slow at the moment.

However there is no guarantee that ANY of the above children belong to Herbert and Alice Beatrice, and not one or more of the other potential Jones-Wright couples.