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Julia Matilda Davies's ancestry

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JeanSD

JeanSD Report 31 Jan 2013 21:57

I am still working through all the info given on the thread, but it is all looking very solid, with Julia Davies b abt 1848, I was definately on the wrong line before with Julia Matilda. The use of Davis on a couple of the census returns threw me, but on looking at the 1911 Julia Davis original record it does actually appear that Davies is written so an error when transcribed. Mary Julia Merchant went on to have 14 children, 10 alive in 1911! Thanks again.

JeanSD

JeanSD Report 27 Jan 2013 14:44

Thank you for all your research. Easy to get led up the wrong path :-)

JeanSD

JeanSD Report 27 Jan 2013 14:40

So it seems that I do not know the father of Arthur Ernest, it is a fair assumption that Richard was dead well before Arthur was concieved which would make sense of the blank on the birth cert for Arthur. I think my family tree is now in need of serious revision from me. I must look at the suggested censuses 1881 Arthur/Julia Davies, and I think I may have to order one or two certificates to try to verify Julia's details. I admit I am only a full member of genes reunited, and I have sometimes struggled with the Free BMD website.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 27 Jan 2013 11:16

Well done Ladies!

I just couldn't get the census image up on Ancestry to show Richard's occupation.

It looks like Arthur gave his mother's deceased husband's details on his marriage certificate. Possibly he thought that more "respectable" than no father's details.

Mary

Mary Report 26 Jan 2013 18:42

marriage 1898.
Alice Maud Davies to William Alfred taylor
1901 William A taylor
Alice maud 1874 swansea.
William RICHARD Taylor 1898/9

1911 9 Pell Street swansea.
William Alfred 1871
Alice maud 1874
William Richard 1899
Married 13 year 1 chil.
Boarding with them.
Joseph Poole Davies 1881/2 Lenstype operator (Daily Post)died 1953 they married @ 1905.
Margaret Mary 1885
Doris JULIA 2/1/1906 marrie William J Williams 1936
ARTHUR Poole Davies 2/9/1908 died 1973
Alice Maud 1910. married David George Thomas in 1937.

Notice similarity in names.

1901 Swansea D11 >19
John kelly born India! Labourer
Julia Kelly born Stroud 1846 ish
Joseph Danes 1881 son (Davies) something to do with printing?

There is a marriage 1884 for Julia Davies and William kelly!!.

Joseph Poole Davies died 1953 Probate to Alice Maud Thomas wife of David George Thomas
£1124 14s 2d

Maryb.



Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 26 Jan 2013 15:37

Baptism (Find My Past website)

Forenames:Mary Julia (born 19 Sept. 1870)
Surname:Davis
Baptism Year:1874
Baptism Month:Oct
Baptism Day:20
Place:Swansea, St James
County:Glamorganshire
Birth Year:1870
Birth Month:Sep
Birth Day:19
Fathers Forenames:Richard (Cabinet Maker)
Mothers Forenames:Julia
Page:19
Record source:Glamorgan baptisms transcripts
Data provider:Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau Archifau Cymru

(also same time, Charlotte Harriette born 2 Nov. 1872, Alice Maude born 18 Sept 1874)

Chris :)


http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/MainMenu.aspx

(possible 1848 Birth, Julia, on above link)



Grooms Last Name:Roberts
Grooms First Name:John Henry (Collier)
Grooms Fathers First Name:Peter
Grooms Fathers Last Name:Roberts
Grooms Parish:
Grooms Age:19
Brides Last Name:Davies
Brides First Name:Charlotte Harriett
Brides Fathers First Name:Richard (Cabinet Maker. Deceased)
Brides Fathers Last Name:Davies
Brides Parish:
Brides Age:18
County:Glamorganshire
Place / Parish:Swansea, St James
Marriage Year:1891
Marriage Month:Jun
Marriage Day:10
Banns Year:
Banns Month:
Banns Day:
Page:83
Record source:Glamorgan marriages - Transcripts
Data provider:Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau
(witnesses, Llewellyn Davies, Annie Ellis)



Dea

Dea Report 26 Jan 2013 13:44

This looks likely for him on 1861 - the father is also a cabinet maker ??


1861 Wales Census about Richard Davies
Name: Richard Davies
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Son
Father's Name: David Davies
Mother's Name: Harriet Davies
Gender: Male
Where born: Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales

Civil Parish or Township: Swansea
Town: Swansea
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales


Registration district: Swansea
Sub-registration district: Swansea
ED, institution, or vessel: 16f
Household schedule number: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4105
Folio: 5
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
David Davies 36 cabinet maker
Harriet Davies 34
John Davies 14
Richard Davies 12
David Llewellin Davies 6
Mary Llewellyn 63 Mother in law
Ezekiah Watkins 20 cousin


Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 4105; Folio: 5; Page: 3; GSU roll: 543235.

Dea x

Dea

Dea Report 26 Jan 2013 13:38

Richard's age on census image is unclear - Ancestry has him as 32 whereas FMP says 22!

If 22 is correct, then this could be his death?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Richard Davies
Name: Richard Davies
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1874
Age at Death: 25
Registration district: Swansea
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 524 (click to see others on page)

This was way before Arthur's birth which 'may' explain why no father was mentioned on cert?

It doesn't explain why her maiden name was not shown though?

Dea x

Dea

Dea Report 26 Jan 2013 13:23

I agree Jan (and Mary) , AND the 1871 posted by Rootgatherer (at 18.57) seems to confirm it as she was then married to Richard who was a cabinet maker !!!

Dea x

Mary

Mary Report 26 Jan 2013 13:19

1911 11,Oxford Street Swansea
Julia Davies born Stroud married shopkeeper.
On her own no mention of husband or children.
Postcode for this address SA1 3JW.

1911 153, Western St Swansea
Arthur Ernest Davies Greengrocer
wife and children
Postcode for number 154 is SA1 3JY
The 2 address's are very close to each other.

MaryJulia Davies 1869/70 married John Herbert Marchant in 1888.

1891Census.
Mary Julia Marchant and husband have
Charlotte H Davies Mary's sister with them.

Charlotte Harriett Davies born 1872/3.

I haven't found Alice or Arthur Ernest as yet in 1891,
but its looking like Richard Davies who married Julia Harrison is the correct family as on 1871/1881 census.

Maryb.

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 26 Jan 2013 13:19

Marriages Mar 1870 (>99%)
Davies Richard Swansea 11a 691
Harrison Julia Swansea 11a 691
HUGHES Jane Swansea 11a 691
MORGAN John Swansea 11a 691

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 26 Jan 2013 13:16

Well, the Julia with son Arthur 1881 I posted above is almost certainly the right one - her occupation is dressmaker:

1881 Wales Census

Name: Julia Davies
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Widow (Head) (Widow)
Gender: Female
Where born: Strand, Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: Swansea Town
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street Address: 14 Burrows Road

Occupation: Dressmaker

Registration district: Swansea
Sub-registration district: Swansea

Julia Davies 30
Mary Julia Davies 10
Sharlet Davies 8
Alice Davies 6
Auther Davies 4

Mary

Mary Report 26 Jan 2013 11:14

Julia Matilda Davies died Maida Vale 8/11/1913 left to husband William M Davies £1548 5s 7d.

Maryb.

Edit was was the address on Arthur Ernest's birth certificate

JeanSD

JeanSD Report 26 Jan 2013 08:29

May thanks for all these posts, wow, so quckly as well. I will need to go through these in more detail.

I have Julia Davies (dressmaker) down as mother to Athur Ernest Davies from Arthur Ernests's birth certificate,. where she is listed by the name of Davies but no father given, there is just a blank on the cert for father. Arthur Ernest is one of my great grandfather, who I have found on censuses in 1911 and 1901, listed with his wife Sarah Catherine Davies (whose mother is a Margaret Rees, b1846, Abercan, Monmouthshire, married to Thomas Davies b1846 Gloucestershire; I have the birth certifcate for Sarah Catherine b1878 Abertillary, Monmouthshire, verifying hSarah's maiden name etc. I also have the marriage certificate for Sarah Catherine and Arthur Ernest from 1895 where he is listed as being a tram conductor, and she a tin plate worker.

I admit I cannot find Julia listed on any census with Arthur, which makes sense if she was already married not to the father, and Arthur was not accepted into the family, I am not sure if I have found Arthur or not on the census returns, but I found no Arthur Ernest back in the 19th century that could match the one I saught.

Much of Sarah Catherine's family lived in the same street in Morriston which I understand was near Swansea but is now a part of Swansea, mostly all working in the tin plate industry. I found her family, complete with a few in-laws and other relatives in 4 different houses in Midland Terrace. Sarah Catherine and Arthur Ernest were listed on the marriage cert as living at the same address as each other iat 22 Midland Terrace upon their marriage, where she was with her parents, but on the 1901 census Sarath Cateerine and Arthru Ernest had moved to number 18! By 1911 I have Sarah Catherine and Arthur Ernest listed as being at a retail address in Swansea, with Arthur Ernest as a Grocer. Interestingly I also found Sarah Catherine listed a second time on the 1911 census, with her now widowed mother and some of her siblings back at Morriston, but still as a married person.

On the census returns I found a Julia Davies, listed variously as Julia Davies, Julia M Davies, and Julia Matilda Davies, married to William M Davies who had a drapers and tailoring business, and bearing in mind that Julia Davies on Arthur Ernest's birth certificate is listed as being a dressmaker. Her dob on these censuses ranged from 1855-1861, although traced down the line with the children, Hilda Davies b 1879 and Christabel Vera Davies b1884. William M Davies disappears off of the census in 1901. In 1911 I have Julia Matilda Davies listed as living in Eastbourne with Christabel but no Hilda. In 1901 Christabel and Hilda are living together alone in Swansea. Christabel is quite an unusual name.

I also found Julia to be quite an unusual name in Swansea during 1856-1911 period.

I found a Julia Davies b1856 aged 70 in 1926 on a passenger list, for a ship bound for the U.S.A.

As I say I will scrutinise what has been posted. It would be frustrating indeed if I had chosen the wrong people on the census, but you kind folk may well have given me some leads.

Jean

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 25 Jan 2013 19:16

That seems pretty conclusive then Mary that Julia Matilda is not Arthur's mother.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 25 Jan 2013 19:14

This looks to be Julia before her marriage.

1861

Name: Julia Harrison
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Joseph Harrison
Mother's Name: Charlotte Harrison
Gender: Female
Where born: Stroud, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish or Township: Swansea
Town: Swansea
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Swansea
Sub-registration district: Swansea
ED, institution, or vessel: 7f
Household schedule number: 245
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4102
Folio: 84
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Harrison 43
Charlotte Harrison 48
Elizabeth Harrison 18
Charlotte Harrison 14
Julia Harrison 11
Margaret Harrison 9

Mary

Mary Report 25 Jan 2013 19:11

1911 census for Julia Matilda states married 31 year 2 children born 2 alive so that would be
Hilda 1878/9 and Christobel Vera 1885.

Maryb.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 25 Jan 2013 19:07

Births Dec 1870 DAVIES Mary Julia Swansea 11a 558

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 25 Jan 2013 19:04

????

Marriages Mar 1870

Davies Richard Swansea 11a 691
Harrison Julia Swansea 11a 691
HUGHES Jane Swansea 11a 691
MORGAN John Swansea 11a 691


rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 25 Jan 2013 18:57

?????

Same family in 1871 but I can't see original image to check Richard's occupation.

Perhaps someone with access to FMP can check it out (Ancestry showing wrong image)

Name: Julia Davis
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Richard Davis
Gender: Female
Where born: Shwnd, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish: Swansea
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity and Swansea
Town: Swansea
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration district: Swansea
Sub-registration district: Swansea
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Household schedule number: 132
Piece: 5453
Folio: 108
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Davis 32
Julia Davis 23
Mary J Davis 6 Months