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help needed to trace an ABBOTT further back

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Unknown Report 26 Jan 2013 10:31

My g.grandfather Edward Reuben ABBOTT living in Middlsbrough in the 1911 census declares his birth place as Lincolnshire. However, in previous census returns from 1851 to 1901 he declares his birthplace as POPLAR. Middlesex.
He marries in Whitechapel in 1866 to Susan Louisa Churchward, but declares himself as HERBERT ABBOTT, from here I track him to Hull where they have their first child MARY JAN|E (1867) and then onward to 1871 in Middlesbrough.where he becomes Edward Abbott. His burial records show him as Edward Reuben Abbott age 81 in 1923.
The only Reuben I can find is in Lincolnshire in 1851 and his brothers William and Thomas who declare their birthplace as Timberland or Kirkstead but they also end up in Middlesbrough. My conundrum is this:- Is Reuben Abbott born 1841 in Timberland my g.grandfather rather than someone born in Poplar?? I have to make sure - before I can go backward in time. Maybe someone out there can help? : :-)


Gins Report 26 Jan 2013 10:36

How do you know Herbert is your 'Edward' Abbott?

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Herbert Abbott<<< Engineer
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Susan Louisa Churchward
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 16 Aug 1866
Parish: Poplar All Saints
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Thomas Abbott Farmer
Spouse Father Name: William Churchward Vitular
Register Type: Parish Register

Wit: ? Johnson & ? Johnson

When was Edward born?


Gins Report 26 Jan 2013 10:42

1911 England Census

Name: Reuben Abbott Junior
Age in 1911: 64
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Marton, Lincolnshire, England
Civil parish: Middlesbrough
County/Island: Yorkshire-North Riding
Country: England
Street Address: 30 Marshall St Middlesbro
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Farmer
Registration district: Middlesbrough
Registration District Number: 535
Sub-registration district: Middlesbrough West
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Piece: 29291
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Abbott 64
Reuben Abbott 20
Reuben Abbott 64
Arthur Andrews 34

Im guessing this is him? So, the man marrying Susan was an engineer and this man is a farmer?


Andrew Report 26 Jan 2013 10:50

This would be birth of Reuben

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

Births Sep 1841 (>99%)

Abbott Reuben Sleaford 14 480



KathleenBell Report 26 Jan 2013 10:56

I don't think the man in the 1911 census at Middlesbrough is the same one. He says he has been married 36 years (which would put the marriage at about 1875) whereas if your man married Susan Louisa Churchwood that was in 1866.

You need to work backwards from yourself from details you KNOW are correct. Go from your parents to your grandparents and so on. How far back are you absolutely certain of?

Kath. x


MargaretM Report 26 Jan 2013 11:15

You say that Edward Reuben Abbott is your gt. grandfather. Which child of his is your grandparent?

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 26 Jan 2013 21:25

HARRIS, David Head Married M 42 1819 ...
Portwood, Hampshire
HARRIS, Ellen H Wife Married F 31 1830 ... Wife
South Wales
ABBOTT, Edward Servant Unmarried M 18 1843 ...Groom
Timberland, Lincolnshire
Piece: 3568
Folio: 13
Page: 19
Registration District: Beverley
Civil Parish: St Mary
Municipal Borough: Beverley
Address: East Riding Milota Depot, North Bar Street, St Mary, Beverley
County: Yorkshire (East riding)

(is this fitting anywhere?, bit confused!)

Chris :)

1851 (as mentioned)
ABBOTT, Mary Wife Married F 40 1811 Ag Labourer
Timberland, Lincolnshire
ABBOTT, Sarah Daughter Unmarried F 16 1835
Timberland, Lincolnshire
ABBOTT, Barrons Son M 13 1838
Timberland, Lincolnshire
ABBOTT, Ruben Son M 10 1841 Scholar
Timberland, Lincolnshire
ABBOTT, William Son M 6 1845 Scholar
Timberland, Lincolnshire
ABBOTT, Thomas Son M 4 1847 Scholar
Timberland, Lincolnshire
Piece: 2100
Folio: 99
Page: 25
Registration District: Sleaford
Civil Parish: Timberland
Municipal Borough:
Address: Dales, Timberland
County: Lincolnshire

ABBOTT, Edward Head M 27 1844 Middlesex (Ship Plater)
ABBOTT, Susan Wife F 24 1847 Devon
ABBOTT, Mary Jane Daughter F 3 1868 Yorkshire
ABBOTT, Thomas Brother M 24 1847 Lincolnshire
Piece: 4889
Folio: 76
Page: 36
Registration District: Stockton
Civil Parish: Middlesbrough
Municipal Borough: Middlesbrough
Address: Bottle House Cottages, Middlesbrough
County: Durham

ABBOTT, Ed Head Married M 55 1846 Shipyard Helper
ABBOTT, Susan Wife Married F 50 1851
Ive Bridge, Devonshire
ABBOTT, Ed Son Single M 20 1881 Ship Plater
Mbro, Yorkshire
ABBOTT, Chas Son Single M 16 1885 Moulder
Mbro, Yorkshire
ABBOTT, Rose Daughter Single F 14 1887
Mbro, Yorkshire
Piece: 4575
Folio: 84
Page: 38
Registration District: Middlesbrough
Civil Parish: Middlesbrough
Municipal Borough:
Address: 1, Battle Houses, Middlesbrough
County: Yorkshire (North riding)

ABBOTT, Susan Head Married47 years F 64 1847 Teignmouth Devon
ABBOTT, Charles Son Single M 28 1883 Iron Founder Middlesbrough Yorkshire
RG number: RG14
Piece: 29243
Reference: RG14PN29243 RG78PN1695 RD535 SD2 ED5 SN39
Registration District: Middlesbrough
Sub District: Middlesbrough East
Enumeration District: 5
Parish: Middlesbrough
Address: 20 Borough Road E Middlesbrough
County: Yorkshire (North riding)


Mary Report 27 Jan 2013 11:51

1871 with Edward and Susan is Thomas Abbott 1847 born Lincs brother to Edward.

Thomas marries a Elizabeth and then Ellen Marshall widow.

1911 Thomas had died and Ellen is still at family home
30,Marshall Street.
With her is Reuben (Susan's husband)
Ellen filled in the form by the looks of it and she maybe assumed he was born the same place as her husband Thomas.

The only strange thing is why did he marry as Herbert and sign it Herbert and say he was born Poplar.

A tree on Ancestry has Rueben and Thomas son of Thomas 1811 Lincs and Mary,who according to 1851 census were living seperately.