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Re convict records advice please re Abraham Allen

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AnninGlos Report 27 Jan 2013 16:02

Aah right sorry :-D that makes more sense. I shall always wonder if it was him now, but Ellen must have known she was widowed because she returned alone and remarried in 1850.

None of this explains the French Connection (excuse the pun) though. If Seth didn't state he was born in france british subject I would think that maybe they had gone to Hampshire not France. But anyway, grasping at straws I suppose and it could have been another Abraham entirely. :-(


Mistycat Report 27 Jan 2013 15:40

The ship's name is Bermuda rather than it going to/coming from Bermuda (I think)....It went to Tasmania as a convict ship...according to went via Chatham (I assume Kent) but cant see where it departed from originally....

MIsty x


AnninGlos Report 27 Jan 2013 15:31

Thanks Kay, Mmm must be more than one then.


AnninGlos Report 27 Jan 2013 15:29

Yes thanks that is the convict record I saw. So it sounds as if that ?Abraham died on the way to Australia does it. (My geography is a bit off, would that be right, Bermuda on the way to Oz?

I guess I will never be able to get proof whether it was my Abraham then. Unless anyone has any suggestions.


K Report 27 Jan 2013 15:26

Found this one in 1841 He is still there in 1851

ALLEN, Abraham M 41 1800 Hampshire VIEW
ALLEN, Charlotte F 31 1810 Hampshire VIEW
ALLEN, James M 11 1830 Hampshire VIEW
ALLEN, Fanny F 9 1832 Hampshire VIEW
ALLEN, Mary F 7 1834 Hampshire VIEW
ALLEN, Geo M 4 1837 Hampshire VIEW
STEEL, Isaac M 15 1826 Hampshire VIEW
BLACKBIRD, Chs M 14 1827 Hampshire VIEW

Piece: 392

Book/Folio: 20/18

Page: 30

Registration District: Whitchurch & Overton

Civil Parish: Overton

Municipal Borough:

Address: Polhampton Lodge Farm, Overton

County: Hampshire


Mistycat Report 27 Jan 2013 15:19

Not able to send the others....

But page 2 of the journal says...

Quarterly Journal of the cases of convicts in Bermuda Hospital for the Q ending 31st March 1843

Misty x


So I guess that ties in with this record found earlier......

England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
Name: Abraham Allen
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Date of Trial: 26 Oct 1842
Trial Year: 1842
Location of Trial: Hampshire, England
Sentence: Transportation


AnninGlos Report 27 Jan 2013 15:09

Misty I went back a page and the date is 1843.


AnninGlos Report 27 Jan 2013 15:02

Thanks Misty.


Mistycat Report 27 Jan 2013 14:58

Cant see one living in Hampshire...

Misty x


AnninGlos Report 27 Jan 2013 14:53

I wonder if somebody could look at the 1841 for me please and see if there is an ABRAHAM ALLEN in Hampshire living there.


AnninGlos Report 27 Jan 2013 14:51

As he died it would have helped if the book had given also a date of birth. These things are sent to try us!!!


AnnCardiff Report 27 Jan 2013 14:51

found this

Abraham ALLEN & family of Ballarat
Any information at all re births deaths marriages connected with the family of Abraham ALLEN, died 30.4.1889 and his wife Mary ALLEN died 18.2.1882 - both buried at Ballarat. Would their be death notices be available at all?
Their children were:
Albert born about 1849 in Youlgreave, Derbyshire
George born about 1841 in Youlgreave, Derbyshire.
I have the info re their sister Mary Ann who married William Samuel DOYLE
George possibly married Lavinia HIGGANS/HIGGINS
Contact: Bethell Hunt, 69 Tweeddale Road, Applecross, WA 6153, Australia - EMAIL - March 2008

Help Wanted Messages, 2008; Ballarat & District Genealogical ...
Convict per "New Grove" 1835 to Tasmania. Married 1836 ... Abraham ALLEN & family of Ballarat Any information at all re ... I believe that Michael was sponsored into Australia by ... - Cached


AnninGlos Report 27 Jan 2013 14:49

Thanks enlarged it and found it, Sep 28th but no year which is frustrating. Must be at the beginning of the book or something.


Mistycat Report 27 Jan 2013 14:46

Right hand side, second down....there is a William then Abraham..

Misty x


AnninGlos Report 27 Jan 2013 14:41

Thanks Ann, the Winchester trial is in 1842 so I assume your is a different one.


AnninGlos Report 27 Jan 2013 14:40

Misty that came tyhrough fine but I can't find Abraham, should he be on the page that came through? Left or right hand side?


AnnCardiff Report 27 Jan 2013 14:37

the only Abraham Allen I can find

Abraham Allen
Abraham Allen, one of 296 convicts transported on the Earl Cornwallis, August 1800
Name, Aliases & Gender
Name: Abraham Allen
Aliases: none
Gender: -

Birth, Occupation & Death
Date of Birth: -

Sentenced to Life
Crime: -
Convicted at: Stafford Assizes
Sentence term: Life
Ship: Earl Cornwallis
Departure date: August, 1800
Arrival date*: 31st March, 1801
Place of arrival New South Wales
Passenger manifest Travelled with 291 other convicts


AnninGlos Report 27 Jan 2013 14:30

Thanks, I have actually managed to copy the record and can see that the charge is larceny and, I think, theft at the County court Hampshire.

I wonder if he absconded from Belper which is why Ellen was in the workhouse and was picked up in Hampshire.

I can't see any mention of him being transported but it didn't mention transportation on any of them so I wonder if it is a list of all those transported. Such poor images that it is difficult to tell. I am glad I didn't pay to see them!!

Ann C I think that may well be a different Abraham Allen but will look into it, I think i have come across him before.

Misty I have PMd you (twice because I forgot the e mail addy!) :-D

I can't think why he would have been in Bermuda RN hospital but who knows? and if it doesn't give age or any referrence dates it is difficult to tell.

Thank you so much all of you for trying. No surprise to me that he wants to stay hidden though. :-)


'Emma' Report 27 Jan 2013 14:08

Ann even with it printed out etc have problem reading it.
Sorry cannot help, maybe BeverleyW can assist you more.



AnnCardiff Report 27 Jan 2013 14:07

Allen, Abraham 1801 - from Stafford - life
Allen, Ann 1804 - Derbyshire - 7 years

found these two

Page Title
... to Port Jackson 1793-1849 convicts to Australia ... Allen, Abraham Allen, Ann Allen, Ann Allen, Ann Allen, Benjamin ... Derbyshire 1791 Stafford 1791 Middlesex 1803 York 1810 - Cached