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Andrew

Andrew Report 29 Jan 2013 14:03

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006
about Thomas H Robson
Name: Thomas H Robson
Birth Date: abt 1849
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1942
Age at Death: 93
Registration district: Border
Inferred County: Cumberland
Volume: 10b
Page: 812



Andy

Dea

Dea Report 29 Jan 2013 12:41

I take it there is some connection to this person?

Births Dec 1856
Robson William Humble Newcastle Tyne 10b 12



England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about William Humble Robson
Name: William Humble Robson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1881
Age at Death: 24
Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Inferred County: Northumberland

Dea x

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 29 Jan 2013 11:43

I think I would be inclined to buy the 1849 birth certificate and see if that Thomas is illegitimate and see what his mother's name actually is. It's the only likely birth I can see for a Thomas H. Robson in Newcastle, although of course as early as 1849 his birth may not have been registered.

Kath. x

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 29 Jan 2013 11:34

This is the Shield family in 1861:-

1861 census transcription details for: Water Side, Whickham, Swalwell Village

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 3807
Folio: 137
Page: 20
Reg. District: Gateshead
Sub District: 3 Whickham
Parish: Whickham
Enum. District: 8
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: Water Side, Whickham, Swalwell Village
County: Durham

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

SHIELD, Thomas Head Married M 53 1808 Spade And Shovel Maker Employing 3 Men 5 Boys
Swalwell, Durham
SHIELD, Sarah Wife Married F 76 1785
Swalwell, Durham
SHIELD, William Son M 13 1848 Ap Spade Making
Swalwell, Durham
SHIELD, Sarah Ann Daughter F 11 1850 Scholar
Swalwell, Durham
SHIELD, Josephine Hall Daughter F 9 1852 Scholar
Swalwell, Durham
SHIELD, Mary Ann Daughter F 7 1854 Scholar
Swalwell, Durham
SHIELD, Isabella Daughter F 4 1857 Scholar
Swalwell, Durham

It seems strange that Thomas Shield would have his son with the family in 1851 if the son was the product of an affair. His wife must have been very understanding!!.

Kath. x

Andrew

Andrew Report 29 Jan 2013 00:47

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
about Thomas Humble Robson
Name: Thomas Humble Robson
Probate Date: 28 Jul 1942
Death Date: 2 Apr 1942
Death Place: Carlisle
Registry: Newcastle Upon Tyne

to George Waddell, mill manger
Effects £5522



Andy

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 29 Jan 2013 00:45

Linked..?

Name: Anna Maria Robson
Probate Date: 23 Nov 1936
Death Date: 14 Oct 1936
Death Place: Northumberland, England
Registry: Newcastle-Upon-Tyne


Anna Maria Robson of 32 Tynedale Gardens, Stockfield, Northumberland ( wife of Thomas Humble Robson ) died 14 October 1936.
Probate Newcastle-upon-Tyne 23 November to the said Thomas Humble Robson retired mill manager.

Effects £1731 ..5s..3d

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 29 Jan 2013 00:38

I wondered if Mary Mitchell was the boy's mother, but then again, he is not on this census with the "mother"

1851 England Census
about Mary Mitchell
Name: Mary Mitchell
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Margaret Mitchell
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Elsdon, Northumberland, England

Civil parish: Otterburn
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Bellingham
Sub-registration district: Bellingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 13
Piece: 2417
Folio: 62
Page Number: 3
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret Mitchell 59
Thomas A Mitchell 34
John Mitchell 28 son Surgeon
Eliza Mitchell 26
Mary Mitchell 23
Maria Ann Mitchell 20
Charles E Robertson 26 visitor b midlothian. Surgeon
James Milburn 13

Here he is:
1851 England Census
about Thomas H Robson
Name: Thomas H Robson
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Shield
Mother's Name: Sarah Shield
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Newcastle, Northumberland, England

Civil parish: Whickham
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Gateshead
Sub-registration district: Whickham
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 276
Piece: 2403
Folio: 134
Page Number: 67
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Shield 41
Sarah Shield 38
Ann Shield 22
Thomas Shield 20
Robert Shield 16
William Shield 12
Sarah Ann Shield 4
Josephine H Shield 2 Mo
Jane Shield 12
Thomas H Robson 2






Gillian Jennifer

Gillian Jennifer Report 29 Jan 2013 00:12

I believe his father to be Shield, but of the three children he had whilst married to others is the only one not using his surname.

Gillian Jennifer

Gillian Jennifer Report 29 Jan 2013 00:11

Thank you for that, I will certainly check.

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 28 Jan 2013 23:19

Is this Thomas's birth:-


Name: ROBSON, Thomas Humble
Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
County: Northumberland
Year of registration: 1849
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 25
Page no: 371

If it is then the certificate should name his mother and if he was illegitimate then his middle name "Humble" could be his father's surname.

Kath. x

Gillian Jennifer

Gillian Jennifer Report 28 Jan 2013 23:00

Looks possible his Mother was Mary Robson.

Gillian Jennifer

Gillian Jennifer Report 28 Jan 2013 22:55

1871 step grand son, interesting.

Andrew

Andrew Report 28 Jan 2013 22:53

1861 England Census
about Margaret Mitchell
Name: Margaret Mitchell
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Margaret Mitchell
Gender: Female
Where born: Elsdon, Northumberland, England

Civil parish: Otterburn
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Bellingham
Sub-registration district: Bellingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 56
Piece: 3868
Folio: 48
Page Number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret Mitchell 68
John Mitchell 39 Son
Margaret Mitchell 40 Dau
Mary Robson 33 Dau
Thomas H Robson 12 Boarder

Andy


Gillian Jennifer

Gillian Jennifer Report 28 Jan 2013 22:51

It looks like 1911 Margaret Mitchell had passed away, and he was living there with his cousins, I think x x

Andrew

Andrew Report 28 Jan 2013 22:50

1871

1871 England Census
about Margaret Mitchell
Name: Margaret Mitchell
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Margaret Mitchell
Gender: Female
Where born: Northnd, Elsdon
Civil parish: Otterburn
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Bellingham
Sub-registration district: Bellingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 27
Piece: 5157
Folio: 40
Page Number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret Mitchell 78
Margaret Mitchell 50 Daughter
William Douglas 13 Grandson
Thomas Robson 22 Step Grandson
Snowden Douglas 57 Son in Law

Andy


Gillian Jennifer

Gillian Jennifer Report 28 Jan 2013 22:49

Thank you everybody, he is one of three children born out of wedlock while their father was married. This infor is very good, thank you xx

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 28 Jan 2013 22:48

In 1911 he is described as "cousin":-

1911 census transcription details for: Otterburn

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN30984 RG78PN1772 RD563 SD1 ED10 SN37
Reg. District: Bellingham
Sub District: Bellingham
Parish: Otterburn
Enum. District: 10

Address: Otterburn
County: Northumberland

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

DOUGLAS, Margaret Head Single F 55 1856 Shopkeeper Northd Morpeth
DOUGLAS, Anna M Sister Single F 48 1863 Housekeeper Co Durham Gateshead
ROBSON, Thomas H Cousin Single M 62 1849 Mill Foreman Northd Newcastle on Tyne
TAYLOR, Frances Servant Single F 15 1896 General Servant Domestic Northd Wallsend

Kath. x

Gillian Jennifer

Gillian Jennifer Report 28 Jan 2013 22:47

Wow, that looks possible, I can find very little on him, but this looks good x x Thank you very much xx

Andrew

Andrew Report 28 Jan 2013 22:47

1881

1881 England Census
about Margaret Mitchell
Name: Margaret Mitchell
Age: 61
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Elsdon, Northumberland, England

Civil parish: Otterburn
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address: Otterburn Village
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Draper And Grocer

Registration district: Bellingham
Sub-registration district: Bellingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5111
Folio: 42
Page Number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret Mitchell 61
Margaret A. Douglas 25
Annie Maria Douglas 18
Thomas H. Robson 32




Andy

Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 28 Jan 2013 22:46

maybe not lol it would have been a long courtship!