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G G Grandfather John Sadler born Boltby N Yorks

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Mary

Mary Report 31 Jan 2013 23:06

Sarah Ann Capes nee Sadler married George Whitehouse in 1881
He was with them on 1881 census I think,he was born @ 1859 in Barton Yorkshire.

Maryb.

Carole

Carole Report 31 Jan 2013 22:46

That is her and that is not her family. Her daughter Sarah Ann married in c 1874 to a Mr capes Then He died & I think she married an Underwood
Gertrude, mky ggran married a canadian & went to Halifax Nova Scotia and had 16 children then came back to Co Durham later on......sorry not being too specific but I filed this away for another day.......as I am doing a project for The National Trust......but when I saw this site I couldnt resist
Out allday tomorrow at Straford on Avon doing research for Nt so will dig out Sadler stuff on Sat in case you need it
You are all soooooooooooo kind
How is Hogwart.........
Carole

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 31 Jan 2013 17:30

Is this her in 1891 please?

1891 England Census
about Sarah Simpson
Name: Sarah Simpson
Age: 66
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Windsor, Berkshire, England

Civil parish: Brandon
Ecclesiastical parish: St Johns
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Durham
Sub-registration district: St Oswald
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4097
Folio: 102
Page Number: 31
Household Members: Name Age
George Pallister 51
Sarah A Pallister 39
Robert Pallister 18
Margaret A Pallister 16
Louisa M Pallister 12
Ethel A Pallister 10
Richard Pallister 7
Helena N Pallister 4
Thomas Pallister 9 Days
Sarah Simpson 66


Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 31 Jan 2013 17:27

Carole when you say she is with her family on the 1891 census, who do you mean by her family please?

I have been looking nearly all day and hav'nt really found anything much!!!

Carole

Carole Report 31 Jan 2013 17:21

tomary b
that is sarah's daughter
carole

Carole

Carole Report 31 Jan 2013 16:56

Hi Everybody
Just got back from my shift as a stately home room guide...to find load of stuff
Sarah married John Simpson from Croft on Tees
His mother was Elizabeth Simpson....oh the marriage certificate he gives name of John T Simpson as his father...very odd... as vicar at Croft says he is illegitimate son of Elizabeth
John & Sarah live in yarm with 2 sons in 1851 census
1861 has her in County Durham
If this is the census she is with Timothy wilson & family
Elizabeth Simpson has married Tmothy Wilson in 1831
so sarah Simpson is her d in Law and the lids are Elizabeths granchildren
One census has John & Sarah actually together
Then she is widowed and she is with her own family until 1891 when she listed as a servant...
I cannot see when she died as their are a number of sarah Simpsons
Does this help
Carole

Mary

Mary Report 31 Jan 2013 15:51

Was Sarah Sadler nee Strikland from Yorkshire?

1841 Ripon
Sarah not born in county.

1851 now Sarah Ann now born in Yorkshire,are these two different people??


Maryb

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 31 Jan 2013 15:46

Elizabeth Simpson married Timothy Wilson in 1832. I wonder if she was a widow and the mum of John Simpson.

Dea

Dea Report 31 Jan 2013 14:37

John is working away from home:

1851 census transcription details for: Old Faw
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 2380
Folio: 189
Page: 2
Reg. District: Askrigg
Sub District: Hawes
Parish:
Enum. District: 3B
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Old Faw
County: Yorkshire (North riding)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
LISTER, Margaret Wife Married F 39 1812
Sedbergh, Yorkshire
METCALFE, Betty Visitor F 35 1816 Charwoman
Hawes, Yorkshire
IVISOM, William Lodger M 27 1824 Mason
Bridgehouse, Yorkshire
SIMPSON, John M 27 1824 Mason
Oldcroft, Yorkshire

Dea x

Dea

Dea Report 31 Jan 2013 14:20

This HAS to be Sarah and children on 1851 though quite how they are daughter-in-law and grandchildren baffles me at the moment:

1851 census transcription details for: Etherley, Bishop Auckland
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 2385
Folio: 289
Page: 20
Reg. District: Auckland
Sub District:
Parish: Bishop Auckland
Enum. District: ST ANDREW AUCKLAND
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Etherley, Bishop Auckland
County: Durham
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
WILSON, Timothy Head Married M 64 1787 Coal Miner
Etherley Lane, Durham
WILSON, Elizabeth Wife Married F 51 1800
Etherley Lane, Durham
WILSON, Ann Daughter Unmarried F 24 1827
Etherley Lane, Durham
WILSON, Timothy Son Unmarried M 15 1836 Coal Miner
Etherley Lane, Durham
WILSON, Elizabeth Daughter F 12 1839
Etherley Lane, Durham
WILSON, Sarah Daughter F 7 1844 Scholar
Etherley Lane, Durham
COOPER, Jane Lodger W F 82 1769 Pauper
Etherley Lane, Durham
CROSBY, Edward Son-In-Law Married M 24 1827 Coal Miner
Witton Colliery, Durham
CROSBY, Mary Ann Daughter Married F 18 1833
Etherley Lane, Durham
SIMPSON, Sarah Daughter-In-Law Married F 24 1827
Windsor, Berkshire
SIMPSON, John William Grandson M 3 1848
Yarm, Yorkshire
SIMPSON, Tomas Grandson M 1 1850
Yarm, Yorkshire

Dea x

Dea

Dea Report 31 Jan 2013 14:13

This must be them in 1861 Mel:

1861 census transcription details for: Old Shildon
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 3708
Folio: 37
Page: 26
Reg. District: Auckland
Sub District: 1 Bishop Auckland
Parish: Old Shildon
Enum. District: 16
Ecclesiastical District: Old Shildon
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Old Shildon
County: Durham
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
SIMPSON, John Head Married M 37 1824 Mason
Croft, Yorkshire
SIMPSON, Sarah Wife Married F 37 1824
Winson, Berkshire
SIMPSON, John William Son M 12 1849 Labourer
Yarm, Yorkshire
SIMPSON, Thomas Son M 11 1850 Scholar
Yarm, Yorkshire
SIMPSON, Elizabeth Daughter F 8 1853 Scholar
Shildon, Durham
SIMPSON, Sarah Ann Daughter F 6 1855 Scholar
Shildon, Durham
SIMPSON, Gertrude Daughter F 4 1857 Scholar
Shildon, Durham
SIMPSON, Eliza Jane Daughter F 1 1860
Shildon, Durham


Have been out but I had difficulty finding them on others...............

Dea x

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 31 Jan 2013 12:53

This is all very confusing

Dea can you find Sarah and John Simpson on the census please.

Dea

Dea Report 31 Jan 2013 09:57

Carol,

You say above:

"JohnSimpson died about 1845 from that lung disease.I have death cert proving Sarah could not write"

Either you have mixed up the date, or the person??

Could you tell me what you meant to put please?

Dea x

Carole

Carole Report 30 Jan 2013 22:39

I connected it like this

Sarah born c 1823 m John Simpsonbc 1824 In Ripon in 1848

Croft Parish gave me details of John Simpson which match other people who have contacted me over the years.

I found John Sadler in some war records on Ancestry & the he reappeared in Ripon, as a pensioner, in 1841 census
At the time Sarah was in service in London but she actually married in Ripon Cathedral.....John SIMPSON was a master stone mason and he could well have been working on Ripon Cathedral & met Sarah whilst she was visiting her parents
They firstly lived in Yarm then sarah moved up to county Durham & I have all the census records which, of course, include my G grandmama Grtrude Wilson nee Simpson,johnSimpson died about 1845 from that lung disease.I have death cert proving Sarah could not write

The bit on the marriage cert was a grand guess I think.....but Mr Simpson Senior is a different matter all together

Hope this helps
cazap

Dea

Dea Report 30 Jan 2013 19:54

Carol sent me a copy of the marriage cert for Sarah Sadler and John Tuet Simpson:

dated 12th June, 1848 at Ripon Cathedral.
John aged 24, batchelor, stone mason. father same name - a farmer
Sarah aged 22, spinster, father John Sadler, - a farmer. (suggests birth date c 1826 ???)

Witnesses Wm (or W M )? Theakston and Harriet Nelson Jones.

addresses just say 'Ripon'

.....................

Carol - How have you connected John Sadler (Farmer) to the one who was in the Life Guards please?

Dea x

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 30 Jan 2013 18:45

Sarah the daughter was not born in Windsor. She was baptised in Kensington Middx. I put the baptism up for you.

Dea

Dea Report 30 Jan 2013 11:20

There appear to be 2 John Sadlers who are Chelsea Pensioners, both discharged around the same time, both from Yorkshire.

One in the 2nd Regiment of Life Guards who was born in Sheffield c 1795 and worked as a Smith.

The other in the 1st Regiment of Life Guards who was born in Boltby, Thirsk, Yorkshire c 1798 and worked as a Labourer. - He gave his date of birth as 7th August.

Their records are on FMP and neither give any clue as to a wife or any children.

Dea x

Reggie

Reggie Report 30 Jan 2013 10:51

Where was Sarah in 1841?

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 30 Jan 2013 10:51

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about John Sadler
Name: John Sadler Of Windsor in the county Berks*********************widower
Spouse Name: Sarah Strickland Spinster
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 31 Jul 1822
Parish: St George Hanover Square
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript

Witnesses William Holderness and Charlotte Palmer


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Sarah Sadler
Name: Sarah Sadler
Record Type: Baptism
BORN 26 Nov 1823 ****************
Baptism Date: 5 Sep 1824
Father's Name: John Sadler Life Guards Man*********
Mother's Name: Sarah Sadler
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Mary Abbots Church, Kensington
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Register Type: Parish Registers


Reggie

Reggie Report 30 Jan 2013 10:47

What does Sarah's marriage cert say about her father?

Who witnessed the event?