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Gillian ......... just a note

Thomas Humble Robson born 1st 1/4 1849 in Northumberland.


This just means that his birth was registered in the first 3 months of 1849 .......

................... he could have been born late in 1848.


Mothers then, as now, had 6 weeks in which to register the birth of a child.


You would get the actual date of birth, as well as the mother's name, from the birth certificate.


you really do need to buy that certificate




sylvia

This is interesting......

Marriages Mar 1848 (>99%)
Bell Frederick Newcastle T 25 300
BURN Eleanor Newcastle T 25 300
Burns William Newcastle T. 25 300
Crooks Mary Ann Newcastle upon Tyne 25 300
Healey Elizabeth Newcastle upon Tyne 25 300
Hedley Elizabeth Newcastle Tyne 25 300
Kirkpatrick Richard Newcastle upon Tyne 25 300
Mitchell Margaret Newcastle Tyne 25 300
OXLEY Richard Newcastle Tyne 25 300
Robson John Newcastle Tyne 25 300
SAXON John Newcastle upon Tyne 25 300
Simm Isabella Newcastle Tyne 25 300
SPENCE William Newcastle Tyne 25 300
THOMPSON Minora Newcastle T 25 300
TRUMAN Mary Ann Newcastle T 25 300

So we have MITCHELL ROBSON and OXLEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did not know I could do that with threads, sorry, at least I know now. Thank you everybody for your valued help xxxxxx

Mike that's what I posted earlier...and a;though I didn't say it I did wonder if he was a daughter's child. Mary Robson as posted in 1861 is annotated on A as Mary Mitchell but can't find anything to connect her in marriage to a Robson

Jude

What Mother's maiden name not available before 1911...means that ALL births after 1911 will have the mmn stated. It was not backdated! So only way to find parents names is buy the certificate

Jude

According to trees on Anst his mother was Sarah Oxley

but she married Thomas Shield in 1849 so can't see why a child born 1848 would be Robson



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Marriages Dec 1841 (>99%)
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COUSINS Elizabeth Marshall Chester le Street 24 27
DOBBY Robert Chester le Street 24 27
OXLEY Sarah Chester le Street 24 27
PORTER Eleanor Chester le Street 24 27
PORTER John Chester le Street 24 27
SHIELD Thomas Chester le Street 24 27


Wonder if he is the daughter's child ???

Yes Mary - here it is:
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1318541

Would have been better to stay on that thread.

Gillian - If you use the "My Threads" link on the left of these pages then you quickly get back to your previous threads and add an updated request so we don't go over old ground.

I posted it before to get the info I now how, when I noticed he was with Thomas and Sarah, I believe they have a child born the same year, then I read that Mother's maiden name available after 1911 and I wondered how I got that, but as you say need to send for certificate xx Thank you xx.

Umm, blonde moment, you see this Thomas Shield had 2 wifes, and 3 children out of wedlock, 5 children with Isabella and 6 with Sarah. Thomas Humble Robson was born out of wedlock, In 1851 he is with Thomas and Sarah, 1861 with a family called Mitchell first described as a border but in later census's same family listed as Step Grandson, and I believe a cousin on another one, so very confusing.

This query rings a bell,has it been posted before??.

Maryb.

He's with Margaret Mitchell as a boarder in 1881 and 1891 and 1901 as well

But Sarah and Thomas were married in 1841 - if it's the correct Sarah! So he wasn't born before - he was born 8 years later!

1861 England Census
about Thomas H Robson
Name: Thomas H Robson
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Newcastle, Northumberland, England

Civil parish: Otterburn
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Bellingham
Sub-registration district: Bellingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 56
Piece: 3868
Folio: 48
Page Number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret Mitchell 68
John Mitchell 39
Margaret Mitchell 40
Mary Robson 33 WIDOW****************
Thomas H Robson 12 ********************?????????

GRO for birth for info

Name: Thomas Humble Robson
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1849
Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume: 25
Page: 371 (click to see others on page)

Sarah, is Thomas Shield second wife but the child was born before and he dissapears from that family and ends up with another one, so very confusing.

Thank you for your help, I think I may have to apply for his birth certificate as its driving me crazy xx

This doesn't make sense but he is listed as son:

1851 England Census
about Thomas H Robson Name: Thomas H Robson
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Shield
Mother's Name: Sarah Shield
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Newcastle, Northumberland, England

Civil parish: Whickham
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Registration district: Gateshead
Sub-registration district: Whickham
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 276
Piece: 2403
Folio: 134
Page Number: 67
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Shield 41
Sarah Shield 38
Ann Shield 22
Thomas Shield 20
Robert Shield 16
William Shield 12
Sarah Ann Shield 4
Josephine H Shield 2 Mo
Jane Shield 12
Thomas H Robson 2

This may be him in 1851:-

1851 England Census about Thomas H Robson
Name: Thomas H Robson
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Shield
Mother's Name: Sarah Shield
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Newcastle, Northumberland, England
Civil parish: Whickham
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Gateshead
Sub-registration district: Whickham
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 276
Piece: 2403
Folio: 134
Page Number: 67
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Shield 41
Sarah Shield 38
Ann Shield 22
Thomas Shield 20
Robert Shield 16
William Shield 12
Sarah Ann Shield 4
Josephine H Shield 2 Mo
Jane Shield 12
Thomas H Robson 2

..............but as already stated you really need the birth certificate to confirm any findings.

1851 census??

Name: Thomas H Robson
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Shield
Mother's Name: Sarah Shield
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Newcastle, Northumberland, England
Civil parish: Whickham
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

View image
Registration district: Gateshead
Sub-registration district: Whickham
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 276
Piece: 2403
Folio: 134
Page Number: 67
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Shield 41
Sarah Shield 38
Ann Shield 22
Thomas Shield 20
Robert Shield 16
William Shield 12
Sarah Ann Shield 4
Josephine H Shield 2 Mo
Jane Shield 12
Thomas H Robson 2
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Fits with trees on A with Sarah being Sarah Oxley

which is this marriage

Marriages Dec 1841 (>99%)
COUSINS Elizabeth Marshall Chester le Street 24 27
DOBBY Robert Chester le Street 24 27
OXLEY Sarah Chester le Street 24 27
PORTER Eleanor Chester le Street 24 27
PORTER John Chester le Street 24 27
SHIELD Thomas Chester le Street 24 27

But why is dad a Shield and son a Robson?????

Only way to be sure is buy the birth certificate

He is apparently a child born out of wedlock and I know who the father is but not the Mother.