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william smith b abt 1859 London

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psmuskoka

psmuskoka Report 10 Feb 2013 16:56

On birth cert for Rosalia Smith dated 7 July 1885 Shoreditch her father listed as William Smith occupation porter G&R 39 Allens Buildings Shoreditch, mother listed as Maria Smith formerly Beacher, I was able to find a William H Smith born Nottingdale London abt 1859 married to Maria b abt 1864. Rosalia is my Grandmother and I have quite a bit on her at and after her marriage of 1910 but very little prior to that. Am I correct that William H Smith is her father and perhaps someone could help with G&R was this the name of a rail line?
Any help or suggestions will be greatly appreciated
cheers
peter Wraight

Londonbelle

Londonbelle Report 10 Feb 2013 17:14

Can you confirm that Rosalia was married in 1910 and who she married?

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 10 Feb 2013 17:18

William's occ is R.port which I would assume is railway porter.

1891 England Census

Name: Roasdle Smith
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Smith
Mother's Name: Maria Smith
Gender: Female
Where born: Finsbury

Civil parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: London
Country: England:

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Haggerston
ED, institution, or vessel: 6

Piece: 251
Folio: 187
Page Number: 49
Household Members:
Name Age
William Smith 41
Maria Smith 40
Rebecca Smith 19
Edith Smith 16
Agnes Smith 11
Maud Smith 6
Ellen Smith 6
Roasdle Smith 5

Jan

psmuskoka

psmuskoka Report 10 Feb 2013 17:18

Yes she married Albert Edward Bagnall one of their children was Edith Frances Bagnall my mother, I have the marriage cert as well as the birth cert for Rosalia

Londonbelle

Londonbelle Report 10 Feb 2013 17:21

For ref only....looks like she married in 1905 not 1910

Name: Rosalie Smith
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Age: 20
Spouse Name: Albert Edward Bagnall occ Printer
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 3 Sep 1905
Parish: Haggerston St Mary
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: William Smith occ Porter
Spouse Father Name: Henry Bagnall occ Painter
Register Type: Parish Register

psmuskoka

psmuskoka Report 10 Feb 2013 17:30

re 1891 that is the right area that she lived in and when they married both families were living at Laburnam st or at Least Rosalia was at #58 Laburnam and Albert at #94

psmuskoka

psmuskoka Report 10 Feb 2013 17:32

Yes, sorry i put the wrong marriage date down, 1910 was when they adopted a child

psmuskoka

psmuskoka Report 10 Feb 2013 17:56

Thank you very much brummiejan that 1891 census looks correct and the ages would not be right for the info I had re William H Smith, Smith being a common name it is difficult pinning it down so i think the info you provided is in fact the correct one.
Also thanks to Londonbelle for your information it all helps to point me in the right direction
Peter Wraight
Bracebridge, Ontario
Canada

Londonbelle

Londonbelle Report 10 Feb 2013 18:17

This appears to be the same family in 1881 census with Maria's mother and brother living with the family

Name: Wm. Smith
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Maria Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Marylebone, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Shoreditch
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 43 Allens Bldgs
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Railway Porter

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: St Leonard
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 387
Folio: 57
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Wm. Smith 32
Maria Smith 30 b Charmouth Dorset
Charlotte Smith 11
Rebecca Smith 9
Edith Smith 6
Agnes Smith 1
Lydia Breacher 54 widow b Charmouth Dorset (mother in law)
Francis Breacher 20 b Charmouth Dorset (brother in law) occ Porter

All the children born Chelsea



Marriage of William & Maria

Marriages Jun 1869
BREACHER Maria Chelsea 1a 448
Smith William Chelsea 1a 448

Londonbelle

Londonbelle Report 10 Feb 2013 18:25

Family in 1871 census

Name: William Smith
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Maria Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Marylebone, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Chelsea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Chelsea
Sub-registration district: Chelsea, North-East
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 406
Piece: 87
Folio: 69
Page Number: 60
Household Members:
Name Age
William Smith 22 occ Porter
Maria Smith 22 b Charmouth Dorset
Maria Smith 1
Francis Breacher 11

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 10 Feb 2013 18:25

Greetings to Ontario - have fond memories of a big family reunion in London a couple of years ago!

Just check your documents - might G&R be GWR? Which is Great Western Railway.

Did you notice maria's birthplace is Dorchester (Dorset)? This is def. her and William:

1871 England Census
Name: Maria Smith
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Smith
Gender: Female
Where born: Charmouth, Dorset, England
Civil parish: Chelsea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Chelsea
Sub-registration district: Chelsea, North-East
William Smith 22 Porter
Maria Smith 22 laundress
Maria Smith 1
Francis Breacher 11 Relation: Wifes Brother (Brother-in-law)

Jan

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 10 Feb 2013 18:28


1861 England Census

Name: Maria M Brecher
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Frances Brecher
Mother's Name: Lydia Brecher
Gender: Female
Where born: Dorset, England

Civil parish: Southampton St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Registration district: Southampton
Sub-registration district: Southampton

Frances Brecher 43
Lydia Brecher 35
Maria M Brecher 11
John Breacher 8
Frances J Breacher 2

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 10 Feb 2013 18:29

Marriages Jun 1869 (>99%)
BREACHER Maria Chelsea 1a 448
Campbell William Charles Chelsea 1a 448
Shaw Miranda Ester Chelsea 1a 448
Smith William Chelsea 1a 448

Londonbelle

Londonbelle Report 10 Feb 2013 18:32

Possible for Maria's family in 1861 census

Name: Maria M Brecher
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Frances Brecher
Mother's Name: Lydia Brecher
Gender: Female
Where born: Dorset, England

Civil parish: Southampton St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Southampton
Sub-registration district: Southampton
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 103
Piece: 676
Folio: 51
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Frances Brecher 43 b America British Subject occ Labourer
Lydia Brecher 35 b Charmouth Dorset
Maria M Brecher 11
John Breacher 8
Frances J Breacher 2

Londonbelle

Londonbelle Report 10 Feb 2013 18:44

Possible marriage of Maria's parents?

Marriages Jun 1847
BINSTEED Lydia Axminster 10 5
BREACHER Francis James Axminster 10 5

psmuskoka

psmuskoka Report 10 Feb 2013 19:24

Thanks again that info matches with the information on the birth cert for Rosalia possibly an error as her mothers maiden name is given as Beacher so probably just missing the R. The information is amazing
Peter Wraight