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1861 Census

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Carol Report 11 Feb 2013 22:01

Can anyone help me find the following on the 1861 Census:

John Alexander born c.1832, Joiner or journey joiner, born Paisley, Scotland, Ellen his wife born c.1832 in Dublin, daughter Ann Jane born 1856 Liverpool. As far as I am aware this is the only child at this time who would appear in 1861.
I have got the Census records for 1871,81 and 91.
Any help would be appreciated.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 11 Feb 2013 22:04

Is Alexander their surname?


KathleenBell Report 11 Feb 2013 22:09

Where are they living in the 1871 census?

Kath. x


Vera Report 11 Feb 2013 22:10

for ref

Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where born Image
ALEXANDER, John Head M 37 1834 Paisley VIEW
ALEXANDER, Ellen Wife F 34 1837 Ireland VIEW
ALEXANDER, Ann J Daughter F 14 1857 Lancashire VIEW
ALEXANDER, William B Son M 0 1871 Lancashire VIEW
Piece: 3781
Folio: 40
Page: 18
Registration District: Liverpool
Civil Parish: Liverpool
Municipal Borough: Liverpool
Address: Copperas Hill, Liverpool
County: Lancashire

Regards Vera

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 11 Feb 2013 22:11

not seeing them


brummiejan Report 11 Feb 2013 22:14

Richard, when did John and Ellen marry? Just wondering if Ann might have been born before this?


Carol Report 11 Feb 2013 22:15

Hi All
Yes the surname is Alexander and in 1871 and 1881 they were living in Copperas Hill.
Sorry about the delay my computer keeps freezing


Vera Report 11 Feb 2013 22:16

Found them in 1871....but like Shirley no luck so far with them in 1861

Regards Vera


rootgatherer Report 11 Feb 2013 22:16

Is this them in 1881 please?

Name: Ann Jane Alexander
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Alexander
Mother's Name: Ellen Alexander
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 54 Copperas Hill
Condition as to marriage: Married

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Seaman's Wife

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Mount Pleasant
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3620
Folio: 69
Page Number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
John Alexander 48 Joiner, b. Scotland
Ellen Alexander 47 b. IReland
Ann Jane Alexander 24
William Alexander 16 son, b. Liverpool
William Augustine Alexander, 6 months, Grandaughter(?) but age in male Column, b. Liverpool


Vera Report 11 Feb 2013 22:17

Could this be their marriage.....

Marriages Sep 1854 (>99%)

Alexander John Liverpool 8b 30
Brady Ellen Liverpool 8b 30

EDIT It is Brady

Births Sep 1856 (>99%)

Alexander Ann Jane W. Derby 8b 270

Regards Vera


Carol Report 11 Feb 2013 22:21

17 July 1854 at the Parish Church, Liverpool by Banns: (LBMD states Liverpool St Peter)
JOHN ALEXANDER, age full, bachelor, profession Joiner, of Sparling Street, Liverpool, Lancashire, map ref: R11 page 33, fathers name ROBERT, profession Sawyer, married ELLEN BRADY, age full, spinster of Sparling Street, Liverpool, Lancashire, father JOHN BRADY boatman. JOHN has signed the marriage register, ELLEN has signed with an X

and Ann Janes Birth

ANN JANE ALEXANDER, born 2 July 1856, father JOHN ALEXANDER occupation Journeyman Joiner, mother ELLEN ALEXANDER (formally Brady), living at 6 court, Fisher Street, Toxteth Park, Liverpool, Lancashire.

I have been looking for this Census for a few years and have got nowhere


KathleenBell Report 11 Feb 2013 22:26

There was an Ellen Ainscough living in Liverpool in the 1851 census but she was born in Manchester - not Ireland so more likely to be Ellen Brady who married John Alexander in 1954 - although obviously only the certificate would confirm this.

EDIT - confirmed by the previous post.

Kath. x


KathleenBell Report 11 Feb 2013 22:27

Could they have gone back to Ireland to visit Ellen's relatives and not been in England for the census in 1861?

Kath. x


Vera Report 11 Feb 2013 22:29

Kathleen it certainly looks like you might be right. So far no luck.

Regards Vera


Carol Report 11 Feb 2013 22:30

Both the entries I have put on come from the marriage cert and the birth cert.
I also have the details of their other two children but were on earth were they in 1861


Carol Report 11 Feb 2013 22:33

I suppose it is possible they went to Ireland for a visit - does anyone know if there are any Irish Census records on line


Vera Report 11 Feb 2013 22:34

As Kathleen has suggested they could have been on a visit to Ireland.

Regards Vera


Vera Report 11 Feb 2013 22:34

Unfortunately the 1861 census records for Ireland have been destroyed.

Regards Vera


Vera Report 11 Feb 2013 22:36

The original census returns for 1861 and 1871 were destroyed shortly after the censuses were taken. Those for 1881 and 1891 were pulped during the First World War, probably because of the paper shortage. The returns for 1821, 1831, 1841 and 1851 were, apart from a few survivals, notably for a few counties for 1821 and 1831, destroyed in 1922 in the fire at the Public Record Office at the beginning of the Civil War.

Regards Vera


Carol Report 11 Feb 2013 22:40

Ok thanks everyone for trying to help