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Birth look up please n thanks

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Bethany

Bethany Report 14 Feb 2013 12:56

thanks potty will see what can find an get back to you

Bethany

Bethany Report 14 Feb 2013 14:44

think have got it now 1911 census
John 52 & Margaret 46 with children
Jessie 1898,Donald 1901,Lizzie 1905,John 1906.

1901
John 43 & Margaret 37 with
William 1885, Jessie 1887, Maggie 1889, Mary 1890, Katie 1893, Annie 1895,
Jessie 1898, Donald 1901,

1891 (Jessie seems to have been original called Christina ?)
John 31 & Margaret 27 with
William 1885, Christina 1887, Maggie 1889, Mary 1890,

Am thinking possibly Maggie would be 18 when my Elisabeth was born so seems more possible that Elisabeths (sisters) are in fact her aunties, thanks for all the help.

:-)

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 14 Feb 2013 16:44

Hi Bethany,
Above will be the family of John Chisholm and Margaret Fraser who married in Klitarlity in 1885

I also identified the same family in both 1891 and in 1901 and did wonder if daughter Margaret was Elizabeth's mother

Have you noticed the anomaly in Christina's age? This was also noted on my earlier post.... born circa 1887
If this is the same girl who married Hugh Clark in Dalry 1930, it means she was around 43 yrs old at the time, not 34yrs.
Christina's age is almost 10yrs out and her place of marriage is still about 250miles from her home town in Inverness.
It does look like the correct girl,l but i would still keep an open mind.
Edit:
In addition to the couples named John Chisholm and Margaret Fraser who married in Inverness shire 1883 and 1885, I found this
John Chisholm and Maggie Fraser who married in Galashiels, Selkirk 1891
Also John Chisholm and Marjory Fraser married In Inverness 1905

Bethany

Bethany Report 14 Feb 2013 18:01

Thanks Anne took a free trial for find my past and looked at loads of census reruns and that family seen like the best match but will keep looking till am certain

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 15 Feb 2013 01:04

Donald Chisholm b 1901 as above:


Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950
about Donald Chisholm
Name: Donald Chisholm
Spouse Name: Anne Edwards
Marriage Date: 1941
Marriage Place: New South Wales
Registration Place: Albury, New South Wales
Registration Year: 1941
Registration number: 17375


Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
about Donald Chisholm
Name: Donald Chisholm
Death Place: Cranbourne, Victoria
Age: 78
Father's Name: John ***
Mother's Name: Margaret Fraser ***
Registration Year: 1979
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 6742
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1901

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
about Anne Chisholm
Name: Anne Chisholm
Death Place: Cranbourne, Victoria
Age: 76
Father's Name: George Edwards
Mother's Name: Ann Mary
Registration Year: 1982
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 01324
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1906

Bethany,
on your earlier post you noted "Jessie Chisholm age 31 Strathpeffer"
Looks like the above Donald Chisholm immigrated in 1926.
He was a 25yr old farm worker who gave his address as:
Ardivall Terrace, Strathpeffer

UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
about Donald Chisholm
Name: Donald Chisholm
Gender: Male
Age: 25
Birth Date: abt 1901
Departure Date: 22 Apr 1926
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Fremantle, Australia
Ship Name: Baradine




Bethany

Bethany Report 15 Feb 2013 13:31

Thanks Anne have had lost of wee bits of info an trying to tie them together.
There was mention of 7 sisters for Elisabeth with the names i have had on here and also a (Grace/ Gracie who worked in Dunbar hospital thurso. And a Catherine). Am thinking that these last 2 sister may actually be sisters of Elisabeth and that the other 7 (sisters) are her mothers sisters. Was told some or all of the brothers/uncles emigrated so that would fit. Was told Elisabeth spoke a little Gaelic and her mother was fluent in it, and from Inverness/ Dalry ? so think am hopefully heading in the right direction. :-)

Potty

Potty Report 15 Feb 2013 13:54

If she spoke Gaelic, she was most likely from Inverness-shire. Gaelic hasn't been spoken in Galloway (the area that Dalry is in) since about the 1700s. Possibly moved South for work. What was Elizabeth's husband's occupation? Have you traced him back?

Bethany

Bethany Report 15 Feb 2013 14:56

Yea have been able to do that side not to bad Found her husband with his mother again no dad on the 1911 census with brothers and sisters and on his marriage cert had his mother as afterwards married so was able to find that marriage and get the parents for both people and the mother is listed with her grandparents and her kids and further back with her parents so cant do much more on that one his birth cert and that of his siblings just has the mother listed so cant see how will get anywhere with that but i have got a good wee tree going for mine and my husbands side going now thanks again :-)

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 15 Feb 2013 15:16

Bethany,
What you may need to do is return to the family on the census returns 1891-1911 and plot the year and places of birth for each child.
From memory, the older ones were born in Kitarlity and the younger ones in Kilmorack.
Then see if you can use the following to work it out.... you have a job on your hands.
To be really certain this really requires a visit to the GRO in Edinburgh/Glasgow or Kilmarnock.
There are sooo many possibilities....
These are ALL the female Chisholm births in Kiltarlity between 1885 and 1906

1 1888 CHISHOLM ANNE F KILTARLITY /INVERNESS 101/00 0033
2 1895 CHISHOLM ANNE F KILTARLITY /INVERNESS 101/00 0015
3 1889 CHISHOLM BARBARA MARY F KILTARLITY /INVERNESS 101/00 0026
4 1890 CHISHOLM CATHERINE F KILTARLITY /INVERNESS 101/00 0027
5 1892 CHISHOLM CATHERINE F KILTARLITY /INVERNESS 101/00 0014
6 1886 CHISHOLM CHRISTINA F KILTARLITY /INVERNESS 101/00 0034
7 1896 CHISHOLM CHRISTINA F KILTARLITY /INVERNESS 101/00 0023
8 1894 CHISHOLM ELIZA ANN F KILTARLITY /INVERNESS 101/00 0002
9 1885 CHISHOLM ELIZABETH F KILTARLITY /INVERNESS 101/00 0033
10 1895 CHISHOLM JESSIE TAYLOR F KILTARLITY /INVERNESS 101/00 0023
11 1893 CHISHOLM JOHAN F KILTARLITY /INVERNESS 101/00 0015
12 1888 CHISHOLM MARGARET F KILTARLITY /INVERNESS 101/00 0032
13 1887 CHISHOLM MARGARET ANN F KILTARLITY /INVERNESS 101/00 0030
14 1895 CHISHOLM MARJORY F KILTARLITY /INVERNESS 101/00 0013
15 1890 CHISHOLM MARY F KILTARLITY /INVERNESS 101/00 0010
16 1887 CHISHOLM MARY BETSY F KILTARLITY /INVERNESS 101/00 0043
17 1888 CHISHOLM MARY HELEN F KILTARLITY /INVERNESS 101/00 0030
18 1897 CHISHOLM WILLIAMINA F KILTARLITY /INVERNESS 101/00 0027

Using the same search criteria, these are the females born in Kilmorack

1 1894 CHISHOLM ANN F KILMORACK /INVERNESS 100/00 0037
2 1904 CHISHOLM ANN ANGUSINA F KILMORACK /INVERNESS 100/00 0008
3 1893 CHISHOLM CATHERINE F KILMORACK /INVERNESS 100/00 0025
4 1894 CHISHOLM CATHERINE F KILMORACK /INVERNESS 100/00 0022
5 1895 CHISHOLM CHRISTINA F KILMORACK /INVERNESS 100/00 0014
6 1906 CHISHOLM DOLINA F KILMORACK /INVERNESS 100/00 0032
7 1904 CHISHOLM ELIZABETH F KILMORACK /INVERNESS 100/00 0012
8 1889 CHISHOLM FLORA MARY F KILMORACK /INVERNESS 100/00 0036
9 1904 CHISHOLM HELEN F KILMORACK /INVERNESS 100/00 0006
10 1897 CHISHOLM JESSIE F KILMORACK /INVERNESS 100/00 0030
11 1889 CHISHOLM MAGDALEN F KILMORACK /INVERNESS 100/00 0023
12 1889 CHISHOLM MARGARET F KILMORACK /INVERNESS 100/00 0024
13 1895 CHISHOLM MARGARET F KILMORACK /INVERNESS 100/00 0024
14 1886 CHISHOLM MARGARET ANN F KILMORACK /INVERNESS 100/00 0018
15 1899 CHISHOLM MARY F KILMORACK /INVERNESS 100/00 0034
16 1901 CHISHOLM MARY ANN F KILMORACK /INVERNESS 100/00 0028
17 1888 CHISHOLM MARY BELL F KILMORACK /INVERNESS 100/00 0023
Notice that there are no children called Grace.
Margaret Chisholm Ms Fraser was born in Glenbucket circa 1864.
As there is no child called Grace on the 1911 census, your info suggests she may have been born after 1911.
The mother would be almost 50yrs old by then?

There is one last thing that you could check....
After a search, I could find only one possible death for the mother, Margaret Chisholm, other name Fraser of the CORRECT age.
This woman died in 1939, death registered in Inverness.
Does this tally? Was this mother deceased on that 1940 marriage in Dalry?





Bethany

Bethany Report 15 Feb 2013 15:45

Anne thanks so much for that will take me a while to sort through that info, The marriage was 1930 Dalry and she was not deceased but the father was for both marriages Chisholm & Sailsbury 1930 Chisholm & Clark 1929, thanks :-)